McDonald's stock hits all time high as cashiers are replaced with kiosks

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I'm pretty ignorant regarding the job of a locomotive engineer, but superficially it seems that would be an easier job to automate than the trucking industry.

That said, there's a chunk of my heart that's always wanted AlexanderFan's job. Seems like it would be a pretty cool way to see parts of the country you could never see otherwise.
Essentially, it's pushing and pulling. Where the human factor of experience comes in (they are light years away with that for now) is weight distribution and the effect terrain has on the train. You haven't lived until you've been snatched backwards with sloshing hazardous materials behind you.

My run is from Birmingham to Atlanta. The terrain is challenging in that there are several hard pulls and many rolling hills which bring train handling into account. Trains will break if you're not careful.

Right now we have programs that supposedly help with fuel economy, but the train handling is terrible in that it creates slack in the train by reducing throttle at incorrect times. The programs are in its infancy, but I'll be one of the last of my kind before I retire, God willing, in 20 years.

On a side note, if you want to see the government bullied around just watch how the railroads handle them. In 2015 the major railroads were supposed to have finished their Postiive Train Control implementation. PTC is essentially a uniform train stopping program designed to prevent collisions with other trains. This is an enormously expensive undertaking and as such the executives, not wanting to hurt their performance bonuses, phased the process much slower than the government mandated timeline. The deadline approached and the railroads turned in their 30 day notices of no longer hauling hazardous materials on their lines to prevent violating federal law, and PRESTO!!, an extension was granted. I feel another one is coming soon as well.


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On a side note, if you want to see the government bullied around just watch how the railroads handle them. In 2015 the major railroads were supposed to have finished their Postiive Train Control implementation. PTC is essentially a uniform train stopping program designed to prevent collisions with other trains. This is an enormously expensive undertaking and as such the executives, not wanting to hurt their performance bonuses, phased the process much slower than the government mandated timeline. The deadline approached and the railroads turned in their 30 day notices of no longer hauling hazardous materials on their lines to prevent violating federal law, and PRESTO!!, an extension was granted. I feel another one is coming soon as well.
That's fantastic!
 

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That's fantastic!
No kidding. Even though I think most of them are stupid, even congresscritters aren't stupid enough to mess with the Rail or Truck industry. They'd effectively shut down the shipments of good to every constituent in the country.
 

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Look here prophets of doom!! McDonalds-and wall street- expects sales to increase. Which could possibly result in more workers needed. The cashiers are being replaced, not the cooks. The McDonalds near me is offering $8.50/hour to start.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-self-serve-kiosks-at-mcdonalds-mean-for-cashiers-2017-6

In fact, sales have increased at stores that have added the kiosks, which suggests additional labor needs are a highly plausible outcome of expanding the digital ordering technology. McDonald's restaurants that have been remodeled for the chain's new digitally-enhanced "experience of the future" — which includes the addition of kiosks — experience a 5%-6% lift in sales in the first year after the remodel, and a 2% lift in the second year, according to Cowen analyst Andrew Charles.
For Panera Bread, one of the early adopters of digital ordering technology, kiosks have led to the kind of labor redistribution that McDonald's has referenced, as well as added labor needs.
Like McDonald's is doing now, the sandwich chain added table service since introducing digital kiosks. Now, Panera is adding delivery services to 40% of its restaurants after rolling out mobile ordering technology.
The sandwich chain announced in April that it expected to add more than 10,000 new in-cafe and delivery driver jobs by the end of 2017, as a result of the delivery service expansion.
So the nature of some McDonald's cashiers' work may change, but it likely won't result in job termination.

How did this thread turn into a diatribe against entry level workers?:conf2:
 

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Look here prophets of doom!! McDonalds-and wall street- expects sales to increase. Which could possibly result in more workers needed. The cashiers are being replaced, not the cooks. The McDonalds near me is offering $8.50/hour to start.
LOL, it takes such skill to build and wrap a burger or drop fries in the oil.

You really think the machines are far behind to replace 90% of the labor in a fast food restaurant? As automation systems grow, they will become cheaper, so while in the short term there might be more jobs for your local McDonalds, those days are numbered, just like cashiers at your local supermarket. We're in the early stages of these sorts of automation systems - as soon as they're (relatively) cheap enough, those jobs are gone.

Quick bit of math - I'm guessing the average fast food restaurant is open roughly 18 hours/day which means $153/day per person assembling sandwiches. That's $55,845 per year to cook and build sandwiches. It won't be long until automation systems exist that, for a few years' wages, will replace the labor force.

Yes, right now they might be hiring more people, but you're kidding yourself if you think those jobs will be available for long. I wouldn't be surprised at all if your local McDonalds was almost 100% automated within the decade.
 

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How did this thread turn into a diatribe against entry level workers?
What does this even mean? We're simply discussing the fact that unskilled workers will be easily replaced. It's not if or maybe, it's when. Zero question of that fact.

If people will pay attention, they can better prepare for this.
 

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Yep. Both of my older two boys started out in food service related jobs. I think they are important for young folks because believe it or not, it teaches you some basic life skills including treating people how you want to be treated as well as using some basic manners. Other than the management positions, most of these jobs aren't really intended to support a family. I respect the ones that work those jobs but to demand higher pay for a relatively unskilled job is insane. Geez, when I worked at A&P we actually had to use a true "cash register" and punch in the prices and you actually had to do math in your head to give people the correct change. I love giving the cashier $20.12, when my meal is $5.07. They look at me like I've lost my mind. But most of those folks can't do the simple math in their head to realize what I've just done or why I've done it. (and yes, typically I don't have the nickel at the time otherwise I would have given them the nickel instead of the dime.)
I had to laugh. For about a decade, we had a condo in Vail, CO. Once, I found I'd lost my glove liners just as we were going out to ski. The lodge next door had a small ski shop in the ground floor and I ran over there. A clerk was there and looking a little disconsolate. I told him what I wanted and he said their computer was down. Noticing the cash drawer was open, I asked him if I could buy the liners, pay cash and he could make note of the sale and ring it up when the computer came back up. He said "I wouldn't know how much change to give you." (!?!) I said "What if I figure out the change for you?" He brightened up and said "That would work!" We did it and I left feeling sorry for him...
 

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Once Japan perfect their sexbots, it will be all robot porn. Hopefully you are into that.
They're going to need them. I read somewhere that Japan has around 10K female porn workers (not prostitutes, although it goes hand in glove, so to speak). Latest count was 70 overworked male film stars...
 

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They're going to need them. I read somewhere that Japan has around 10K female porn workers (not prostitutes, although it goes hand in glove, so to speak). Latest count was 70 overworked male film stars...
Holy cow. Those guys must have the stamina of a rabbit.
 

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I had to laugh. For about a decade, we had a condo in Vail, CO. Once, I found I'd lost my glove liners just as we were going out to ski. The lodge next door had a small ski shop in the ground floor and I ran over there. A clerk was there and looking a little disconsolate. I told him what I wanted and he said their computer was down. Noticing the cash drawer was open, I asked him if I could buy the liners, pay cash and he could make note of the sale and ring it up when the computer came back up. He said "I wouldn't know how much change to give you." (!?!) I said "What if I figure out the change for you?" He brightened up and said "That would work!" We did it and I left feeling sorry for him...
I think problem solving and critical thinking has escaped much of the next generation, unfortunately.
 

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Look here prophets of doom!! McDonalds-and wall street- expects sales to increase. Which could possibly result in more workers needed. The cashiers are being replaced, not the cooks. The McDonalds near me is offering $8.50/hour to start.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-self-serve-kiosks-at-mcdonalds-mean-for-cashiers-2017-6

In fact, sales have increased at stores that have added the kiosks, which suggests additional labor needs are a highly plausible outcome of expanding the digital ordering technology. McDonald's restaurants that have been remodeled for the chain's new digitally-enhanced "experience of the future" — which includes the addition of kiosks — experience a 5%-6% lift in sales in the first year after the remodel, and a 2% lift in the second year, according to Cowen analyst Andrew Charles.
For Panera Bread, one of the early adopters of digital ordering technology, kiosks have led to the kind of labor redistribution that McDonald's has referenced, as well as added labor needs.
Like McDonald's is doing now, the sandwich chain added table service since introducing digital kiosks. Now, Panera is adding delivery services to 40% of its restaurants after rolling out mobile ordering technology.
The sandwich chain announced in April that it expected to add more than 10,000 new in-cafe and delivery driver jobs by the end of 2017, as a result of the delivery service expansion.
So the nature of some McDonald's cashiers' work may change, but it likely won't result in job termination.

How did this thread turn into a diatribe against entry level workers?:conf2:
Nice PR on McDonald's part, but I doubt that the thrust of this article is true. There will be a net loss of jobs, and the few cashier jobs that are converted will likely be to jobs that require more skill(s) relatively speaking.
 

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How did this thread turn into a diatribe against entry level workers?
I hope you did not take my comment as being a diatribe against entry-level workers.
My fire paying job (besides cutting grass) was at the McDonald's in Huntsville (on Memorial Parkway). I earn $3.35/hour there (that's $10 every three hours! I bought a John Lennon album with my first pay check) and learned how to check the work schedule, show up right time/right place/right clothes on, follow instructions. I was happy to have the money and I knew it was not forever.
I make a bit more than $3.35/hour now but I still apply the lessons I learned at McDonald's in 1980/81.
If someone had tried to "help" me with a $15/hour minimum wage, I would not have gotten a job and learned those lessons.
 

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