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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

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    I think Jalen and the entire offense is going to benefit greatly from the downfield speed at wide receiver. It may be the fastest overall group we've ever had. It's going to help Jalen immensely to be able to throw to a spot on a deep timing pattern rather than having to check down from 3 to 2 to 1 and making constant decisions.
    Plus, when those fast receivers go deep the DB's have no choice to go with them, and the backers have to back up in coverage as well. That makes the running game flat out dangerous if the O-Line can get our backs past the line of scrimmage. And, if a play completely falls apart Jalen's got the legs to turn a possible ten yard sack into a fifty yard touchdown run.
    I'm pretty confident that this offense will be one of the best in the Nick Saban era at Bama.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    He was scouted as a super raw passer with a lot of potential and the honest truth is that Hurts best potential throw coming out of high school was the deep stuff. He had a live arm, it was just a matter of learning quick coverage identification and how to put the ball in a spot consistently. We were incredibly safe on offense last year so I don't think it ever got a real chance to develop.


    Lets not forget that this is the "money year" for Calvin Ridley. Both Julio and Coop had slumps in their sophomore seasons due to nagging injuries and what have you but they were electric in their junior seasons. I think he could go for 1200-1500 yards and 10+ TDs.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    When a good D stacks the line and has a really good QB our only option is to throw also. Florida St showed us what would have happened had LSU had a really good QB. This year I am excited and can't wait. I am positive our QBs can pass when needed. Roll Tide.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    He threw great at the Manning camp. We should have no problems at all this year.

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    I remember how Jay Barker struggled early on. The Championship game against Miami was much worse than Jalens game against Clemson. A few years later he was a great asset. Passing and leading. His dual against Eric Zeire and UGA was an amazing game.
    Jalen has the arm strength Jay had with much better scrambling ability. I have no idea what his ceiling is. If he can hit the long pass that he seems to have the ability to do. Learn the short routs and get those throws down. He may become as good as Deshaun Watson. At least as good as Joshua Dobbs only we'll have better receivers imo.

    Tua will get an opportunity to win the job/team as he progresses. He wont start this year unless Jalen regresses, but that will push Jalen to compete his butt off. We've got as much quality depth at QB as we've had, maybe since Coach Saban has been at UofA. The receiving corp is in place! They can really make a QB shine. What would Johnny Football look like without Mike Evans? Or the O'line they had that year?

    It was obvious we limited Jalen last year as much due to his inexperience as due to our overwhelming defense. That was probably enough to win it all with a few different decisions on offense against Clemson. He will get very good or will get overtaken. I just haven't felt as good about our QB situation in a long time as far as a quality starter and potentially very good backup. Need our receivers to catch em all and the line to give him some time. I don't watch much tape but the pop pass could be a deadly weapon with Jalens strength and speed. Deboll has quality to work with. I heard some people with better (sauces) than I've ever had think he's ready to take that next step to greatness.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    I think Dobbs is a very good comparison for Hurts at this juncture (after seeing him show good deep ball touch in the spring game). I thought the big problem with Dobbs was his inability to throw it accurately in the short to medium range. He just never developed in that regard but he became a great deep passer by the 2016 season.

    Fortunately, Alabama is one of the best developmental programs in the nation. The likelihood Hurts gets to his Junior year and can't consistently complete a quick out or slant is pretty low.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    He was scouted as a super raw passer with a lot of potential and the honest truth is that Hurts best potential throw coming out of high school was the deep stuff. He had a live arm, it was just a matter of learning quick coverage identification and how to put the ball in a spot consistently. We were incredibly safe on offense last year so I don't think it ever got a real chance to develop.


    Lets not forget that this is the "money year" for Calvin Ridley. Both Julio and Coop had slumps in their sophomore seasons due to nagging injuries and what have you but they were electric in their junior seasons. I think he could go for 1200-1500 yards and 10+ TDs.
    I would totally agree if Kiffin was still here but I believe we will see Daboll spread the wealth which will cut down on Calvin's #'s somewhat. He will still have a great year just don't think it will be up to the numbers you are predicting.

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    That's a good point, we don't really know Daboll's M.O. as a playcaller. Kiffin was a huge proponent of giving massive amount of touches to his best playmakers. Especially in the passing game, his star WRs at USC and Bama got a sizable percentage of the total team receptions and yardage. The Patriots have always been more a spread-the-wealth type of offense, so we shall see...

    I know that balanced targeting of receivers tends to work out better for the quarterback if he can run the full offense...hard to know who to double.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

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    That's a good point, we don't really know Daboll's M.O. as a playcaller. Kiffin was a huge proponent of giving massive amount of touches to his best playmakers. Especially in the passing game, his star WRs at USC and Bama got a sizable percentage of the total team receptions and yardage. The Patriots have always been more a spread-the-wealth type of offense, so we shall see...

    I know that balanced targeting of receivers tends to work out better for the quarterback if he can runt he full offense...hard to know who to double.
    Sounds like Kiffin's method requires fewer reads and less decision-making from the QB. Not necessarily a bad thing when dealing with a true freshman.

    Spreading the wealth almost by definition requires more of the QB.

    Is Jalen ready for that? I know he will be at some point. Whether that point in time is September 2, I don't know. Nobody really does.

    I do know this -- FSU is expected to have one of the best back 7s in CFB. If Jalen makes those guys respect and defend the whole field (which he couldn't do against LSU, Washington or Clemson), we will have served notice on the other P5 teams that the road to the NC goes through Tuscaloosa.

    If he can't, well, he'll have to continue improving, or it's going to be a nail-biting year against teams we can't just steamroll.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

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    Sounds like Kiffin's method requires fewer reads and less decision-making from the QB. Not necessarily a bad thing when dealing with a true freshman.

    Spreading the wealth almost by definition requires more of the QB.

    Is Jalen ready for that? I know he will be at some point. Whether that point in time is September 2, I don't know. Nobody really does.

    I do know this -- FSU is expected to have one of the best back 7s in CFB. If Jalen makes those guys respect and defend the whole field (which he couldn't do against LSU, Washington or Clemson), we will have served notice on the other P5 teams that the road to the NC goes through Tuscaloosa.

    If he can't, well, he'll have to continue improving, or it's going to be a nail-biting year against teams we can't just steamroll.
    Which will be one or two other teams. Jalen is going to make very good improvements IMO and will lead us to another great year.

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    That's a good point, we don't really know Daboll's M.O. as a playcaller. Kiffin was a huge proponent of giving massive amount of touches to his best playmakers. Especially in the passing game, his star WRs at USC and Bama got a sizable percentage of the total team receptions and yardage. The Patriots have always been more a spread-the-wealth type of offense, so we shall see...

    I know that balanced targeting of receivers tends to work out better for the quarterback if he can run the full offense...hard to know who to double.
    I think Daboll is going to be close to a Weiss- McDaniels style (granted Brady has a lot of say in what is called in NE). But I think "cautious aggressive " is the term to probably sum it up. I don't think it's going be a" run the rock nonstop" like a Mac and Nuss thing like many on here seem to think. I really think it's going to be a pick your poison balanced offense.

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