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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Looked at Daboll's four teams as an OC. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I kept thinking about how poor his overall personnel was as an OC.

    In those four years, his TEs accounted for 20% of the receptions, 20% of the targets, 24% of the receiving yards, and 31% of the TDs while the RBs caught 30% of the passes on 24% of the targets for 20% of the team's yards and 19% of the TDs.

    Looks like he will throw the ball around. Brandon Marshall (2011 Dolphins) and Dwayne Bowe (2012 Chiefs) each were targeted 25% of the time.

    In the last three years, Alabama's leading WRs have accounted for 42% (Cooper), 30% (Ridley), and 27% (Ridley) of the team's receptions.

    Suspect we'll pass the ball around more this year than we did under Kiffin.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Throwing it around to the TEs and RBs at that rate is usually a sign of limited personnel...at least in my opinion.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Throwing it around to the TEs and RBs at that rate is usually a sign of limited personnel...at least in my opinion.
    Like I said, his personnel was pretty bad. Just look at the players that had a reception:

    Mohamed Massaquoi
    Jerome Harrison
    Chansi Stuckey
    Mike Furrey
    Evan Moore
    Braylon Edwards
    Joshua Cribbs
    Robert Royal
    Brian Robiskie
    Jamal Lewis
    Steve Heiden
    Michael Gaines
    Chris Jennings
    Greg Estandia
    Lawrence Vickers
    Brady Quinn
    James Davis
    Benjamin Watson
    Peyton Hillis
    Mike Bell
    Colt McCoy
    Seneca Wallace
    Sam Aiken
    Alex Smith
    Brandon Marshall
    Brian Hartline
    Davone Bass
    Anthony Fasano
    Reggie Bush
    Charles Clay
    Daniel Thomas
    Lex Hilliard
    Clyde Gates
    Jeron Mastrud
    Steve Slaton
    Dwayne Bowe
    Tony Moeaki
    Dexter McCluster
    Jonathan Baldwin
    Jamaal Charles
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    Last edited by RTR91; July 17th, 2017 at 11:20 AM.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Yeah, Daboll sure wasn't working with much.

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    Like I said, his personnel was pretty bad. Just look at the players that had a reception:

    Mohamed Massaquoi
    Jerome Harrison
    Chansi Stuckey
    Mike Furrey
    Evan Moore
    Braylon Edwards
    Joshua Cribbs
    Robert Royal
    Brian Robiskie
    Jamal Lewis
    Steve Heiden
    Michael Gaines
    Chris Jennings
    Greg Estandia
    Lawrence Vickers
    Brady Quinn
    James DavisBenjamin Watson
    Peyton Hillis
    Mike Bell
    Colt McCoy
    Seneca Wallace
    Sam Aiken
    Alex Smith
    Brandon Marshall
    Brian Hartline
    Davone Bass
    Anthony Fasano
    Reggie Bush
    Charles Clay
    Daniel Thomas
    Lex Hilliard
    Clyde Gates
    Jeron Mastrud
    Steve Slaton
    Dwayne Bowe
    Tony Moeaki
    Dexter McCluster
    Jonathan Baldwin
    Jamaal Charles
    Shaun Draughn
    Terrance Cooper
    Steve Breaston
    Jamar Newsom
    Kevin Boss
    Devon Wylie
    Sateve Maneri
    Nate Eachus
    Cyrus Gray
    Jake O'Connell
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    Like I said, his personnel was pretty bad. Just look at the players that had a reception:
    I kind of look at it a different way. Yes, his offenses sucked for the most part. No, I don't think he has a great resume (as offensive coordinator). May be that's all what he had to work with, but the truth is if he was a successful NFL OC, he wouldn't be coming to Alabama.

    However, mediocre or even bad in the NFL can still translate to great in college. Look no further than the last two great Alabama head coaches. Stallings and Saban were a combined 38-51 as NFL head coaches. At Alabama? A combined 189-35

    I would love to see something on Daboll's resume that says he's a great college OC. That would make me feel better. But, the truth is if he was even a mediocre NFL offensive coordinator, he'll probably be a very good college coordinator.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    Like I said, his personnel was pretty bad. Just look at the players that had a reception:

    Mohamed Massaquoi
    Jerome Harrison
    Chansi Stuckey
    Mike Furrey
    Evan Moore
    Braylon Edwards
    Joshua Cribbs
    Robert Royal
    Brian Robiskie
    Jamal Lewis
    Steve Heiden
    Michael Gaines
    Chris Jennings
    Greg Estandia
    Lawrence Vickers
    Brady Quinn
    James Davis
    Benjamin Watson
    Peyton Hillis
    Mike Bell
    Colt McCoy
    Seneca Wallace
    Sam Aiken
    Alex Smith
    Brandon Marshall
    Brian Hartline
    Davone Bass
    Anthony Fasano
    Reggie Bush
    Charles Clay
    Daniel Thomas
    Lex Hilliard
    Clyde Gates
    Jeron Mastrud
    Steve Slaton
    Dwayne Bowe
    Tony Moeaki
    Dexter McCluster
    Jonathan Baldwin
    Jamaal Charles
    Shaun Draughn
    Terrance Cooper
    Steve Breaston
    Jamar Newsom
    Kevin Boss
    Devon Wylie
    Sateve Maneri
    Nate Eachus
    Cyrus Gray
    Jake O'Connell
    Colt McCoy, Alex Smith, and Brady Quinn had receptions? That really is speading it around!

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by LA4Bama View Post
    Colt McCoy, Alex Smith, and Brady Quinn had receptions? That really is speading it around!
    Different Alex Smith

    Believe the other two got receptions because of Josh Cribbs' ridiculous athletic ability and what plays team ran with him.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    Like I said, his personnel was pretty bad. Just look at the players that had a reception:

    Mohamed Massaquoi
    Jerome Harrison
    Chansi Stuckey
    Mike Furrey
    Evan Moore
    Braylon Edwards
    Joshua Cribbs
    Robert Royal
    Brian Robiskie
    Jamal Lewis
    Steve Heiden
    Michael Gaines
    Chris Jennings
    Greg Estandia
    Lawrence Vickers
    Brady Quinn
    James Davis
    Benjamin Watson
    Peyton Hillis
    Mike Bell
    Colt McCoy
    Seneca Wallace
    Sam Aiken
    Alex Smith
    Brandon Marshall
    Brian Hartline
    Davone Bass
    Anthony Fasano
    Reggie Bush
    Charles Clay
    Daniel Thomas
    Lex Hilliard
    Clyde Gates
    Jeron Mastrud
    Steve Slaton
    Dwayne Bowe
    Tony Moeaki
    Dexter McCluster
    Jonathan Baldwin
    Jamaal Charles
    Shaun Draughn
    Terrance Cooper
    Steve Breaston
    Jamar Newsom
    Kevin Boss
    Devon Wylie
    Sateve Maneri
    Nate Eachus
    Cyrus Gray
    Jake O'Connell
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    We'll know by the end of FSU. I don't think we will beat them if he is the Hurts of last year.

    I think he did great last year ... great for a frosh. Historically great for a frosh.

    But, all we have to go on regarding this year is A Day. He looked phenomenal in the A-Day. If he had looked like last year, and given how Tua looked, we would have a legit QB competition right now.

    But he looked awesome. And that will either carry over into FSU, or it won't. We will either go back to wondering if he can get it done, with a significant number of people wanting Tua to get a fair shot, or, the entire football world will shutter at the deadly duel threat he has become, and we will be odds on favorites to go all the way.

    A lot is riding on FSU.
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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Throwing it around to the TEs and RBs at that rate is usually a sign of limited personnel...at least in my opinion.
    I call it a balanced offense.. :-)

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    He jumped over a couple of DB's last year. I really think he has it in him to hurdle a defensive linemen this year!
    Ya gotta believe!!!!

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    Re: How big of a jump can we realistically expect from Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Not many All-Pro players on this list...maybe 3 or 4 max.
    Other than Peyton Hillis, I'm not sure there's an All-Pro on the list.

    Back to Jalen... Heard someone last week say we had an OC that checked out after the Mississippi State game. Everyone remember that game? We put up 615 yards.

    Took our numbers out of State's season total and averaged their other 12 games. Their yards allowed average went from 459.1 yards to 446.1. I'm not saying this to bring Kiffin up. Just pointing out how good last year's offense was at times when everything was clicking.
    "I don't know what class is but I can tell when one has it, you can tell from a mile away"
    -- Coach Bryant

    "We always talk about playing 60 minutes but this is a 60-10 game: the 60 minutes of the game and the 10 minutes in the locker room after the game that you remember for the rest of your life."
    -- Nick Saban day after beating Clemson

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