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    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Well yeah, but how in the world was the SEC supposed to know this would happen?

    It's still better than what happened at either Baylor or Penn State.
    Let me fix my error:

    Although Mike Slive did not know it at the time -- I'm not sure Missouri was a good deal after all. It appears parents don't want to send their children to Anarchy U. This hurts all their sports, not just football. They are renting dorm rooms to fans, LOL.Of course Mike Slive did not know the future.
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    I'm not sure Missouri was a good deal after all. It appears parents don't want to send their children to Anarchy U. This hurts all their sports, not just football. They are renting dorm rooms to fans, LOL
    I've said all along there has to be losers. Missouri is a good loser to have. It's a good size state, they don't have any other FBS programs, and the SEC has their attention. This makes them a far better loser than a Vanderbilt or Miss. State for example. So they might just be there to get beat by the powers that be, well which of the other SEC teams dislikes that arrangement, perhaps besides Missouri themselves?

    If you opened up the rest of the Big 12 and offered the SEC the option to swap Missouri out, I don't see a better replacement. Not if you consider the fact that someone still has to lose... Part of building a good conference is picking good losers to have. I never understood why some consider how successful a program is within a conference as to how good an addition they were. If they're successful that means they came in and beat up on existing teams, is that really what conferences are looking for in additions? To lose more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    I've said all along there has to be losers. Missouri is a good loser to have. It's a good size state, they don't have any other FBS programs, and the SEC has their attention. This makes them a far better loser than a Vanderbilt or Miss. State for example. So they might just be there to get beat by the powers that be, well which of the other SEC teams dislikes that arrangement, perhaps besides Missouri themselves?

    If you opened up the rest of the Big 12 and offered the SEC the option to swap Missouri out, I don't see a better replacement. Not if you consider the fact that someone still has to lose... Part of building a good conference is picking good losers to have. I never understood why some consider how successful a program is within a conference as to how good an addition they were. If they're successful that means they came in and beat up on existing teams, is that really what conferences are looking for in additions? To lose more?
    Oh I agree and I would reword again if I could figure out how to word it. What I meant was if Missouri loses students and enrollment and becomes a bottom feeder then those TV sets will probably dwindle away and we would regret having them. I know I would. Those sets were one of the biggest reason to add them.
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    Missouri won the SEC East twice, lets not forget that. I don't think we can label them "cellar dwellers" just yet. The right coach can be pretty successful there IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UntouchableCrew View Post
    Missouri won the SEC East twice, lets not forget that. I don't think we can label them "cellar dwellers" just yet. The right coach can be pretty successful there IMO.
    The SEC East title is just the top rung of the cellar's ladder. At least lately.

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    There was a football camp in Rock Hill, SC last week and many of the young prospects were staying at our hotel. I had an elevator conversation with one dad and son from Texas and casually suggested something about Bama nabbing Texas talent. The kids eyes lit up like a Christmas tree and his dad said, "We would be fine with that!" It was a one-off and random but gave me the impression that CNS is quite welcome in Texas HS football homes.

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    I am not calling Missouri a cellar dweller. I am saying if enrollment keeps dropping they will become a cellar dweller. They were a mid-pack Big 12 team and they are a mid-pack SEC team currently. The future will not be good with empty dorm rooms become empty dorms. That is all I am trying to say.
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    TAMU has been a good addition to the SEC; however, it's only claim to fame thus far was knocking off Alabama and finishing 10-2 in its first year as an SEC member. If I was a PTB at TAMU back to back to back 8-5 records is not acceptable period. With the resources they have and the fact they are in the most fertile recruiting state this kind of performance is ridiculous. IMO, if they could hire the right coach TAMU could challenge Alabama every year for SEC West dominance. They have done well in other sports at both the men and women's level. At some point they are going to have to move on from Sumlin.
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    Missouri, as an academic institution, will bounce back. They don't have any real peer-level competition within the state. It may take 5 or 6 years to totally put the mess behind them, and as long as a decade to build the enrollment back, but they've largely cleaned house and are making a lot of the right moves. I live up here, and the excitement around the basketball program after the changes they made, and their recruiting, is palpable. Regardless of whether their football program competes in the top, middle, or lower tier of the SEC, I don't think the university is in a death spiral and I don't think they'll be a drag on the rest of the SEC.
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    If the Big 12 had been aggressive and smart....at they time where A&M and Mizzou were being courted - they would have made LSU and Arkansas a "deal they couldn't refuse" -- and thrown them tons of Money --

    If they could have scored LSU and Arkansas -- they might have been able to keep the others.

    It might not have worked - but it would have been worth a try.
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    If they could have scored LSU and Arkansas -- they might have been able to keep the others.

    It might not have worked - but it would have been worth a try.
    There's simply no way on earth that could have worked. As in literally no scenario imaginable in which that could or would have occurred. Let's forget about the sinking ship, let's pretend that part wasn't real. Let's just talk money.

    Oklahoma and Texas want their money. They have been getting paid in the Big 12 (even if the others haven't) and part of their incentive to flirt with the Pac-12 is the promise of more money. Now, how on earth can those guys make what they make, and still cut in Arkansas and LSU to a sum so large that they'd leave the SEC? What do you have to do to the rest of the conference payouts to come up with 40+ million a year? You can't, that's the short answer. It's just not possible. This deal would have to be permanent to, right? They'd have to guarantee LSU and Arkansas more money in perpetuity. Even if LSU and Arkansas would consider that, surely they'd know that would further destabilize the conference. The only way to make that work would be guaranteeing LSU, Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma the same gigantic sum of money. And disproportionate payments is one reason the Big 12 ended up falling apart in the first place. It just would not and could have have worked. Besides that, by the time A&M was ready to leave this was about getting away from Texas, not getting away from the Big 12. Texas and the LNH screwing them over was the last straw.

    Now, having said that...
    There was a point in time that Arkansas seemed to have some interest in the Big 12. This was well before things went south over there, and I suppose Arkansas wasn't happy with consistently falling behind Auburn/Alabama/LSU. I don't think anything ever went so far as serious discussions though, and I think the Big 12 seems very centered on Oklahoma and Texas, and what serves their interests and not so much in making it the best conference possible.

    The one scenario though, the one that actually happened after A&M and Missouri was the possibility of Clemson and FSU. The ACC had just done a very basketball friendly deal and those two were not happy. I'm not sure how realistic that move was, how possible that could have been, but the only school the Big 12 actually seemed really big on adding was the long shot of Notre Dame. Ironically, even if just a partial member Notre Dame ends up in the ACC and FSU and Clemson stay put. Anyway, if the Big 12 didn't do everything in their power to add Clemson and FSU that was a big mistake. That's the one scenario in which they could have tried to compete with ACC money and do that they could to lure those two away. Then again, did Oklahoma and Texas want them around? Their interests as usual probably came ahead of the conference as a whole.
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    Re: Texas Divided: Dallas Morning News.

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    The one scenario though, the one that actually happened after A&M and Missouri was the possibility of Clemson and FSU. The ACC had just done a very basketball friendly deal and those two were not happy. I'm not sure how realistic that move was, how possible that could have been, but the only school the Big 12 actually seemed really big on adding was the long shot of Notre Dame. Ironically, even if just a partial member Notre Dame ends up in the ACC and FSU and Clemson stay put. Anyway, if the Big 12 didn't do everything in their power to add Clemson and FSU that was a big mistake. That's the one scenario in which they could have tried to compete with ACC money and do that they could to lure those two away. Then again, did Oklahoma and Texas want them around? Their interests as usual probably came ahead of the conference as a whole.
    The Big 12 got out worked by the ACC at every turn. Not just in your scenario here, but later on the time line, they had a chance to add Louisville and Pittsburgh and failed to get them. Why? Texas didn't want to do that. Your last statement is the crux of the whole matter. They are not interested in building the best conference possible, they are only interested in building themselves up, everyone else be damned.

    Arkansas was the first team to get away from the toxicity of Texas. They may have longingly looked the Big 12's way a time or two and saw the short road trips, and all their history with the old SWC teams, but I'm certain they easily put away those feelings with the reality of the financial security the SEC has provided.

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    It was the Texas sized ego's that built The Longhorn Network that doomed Big 12 Football..

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