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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Let me explain the thought process behind Forde's column:

    1) I need some clicks so what should I do?
    2) I'll troll the SEC
    3) Writes column that's not 'really' provocative but has provocative headline
    4) Sits back and tells his boss, "See, I can still bring them in."
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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    One good year from the ACC does kick the SEC off the mountain top. My GF cheers Miami and can't name all the members of the ACC let alone the head football coaches

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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Pretty sure Forde doesn't pick that headline.

    For my own part, I'm sort of down on the rest of the conference right now.

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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Quote Originally Posted by luvthat_TIDE View Post
    One good year from the ACC does kick the SEC off the mountain top. My GF cheers Miami and can't name all the members of the ACC let alone the head football coaches
    Well, here's a thought for you.....


    Head Coaches in the ACC

    Clemson - five years as an SEC assistant
    FSU - thirteen years as an SEC coordinator
    Louisville - one year SEC coordinator, four years SEC coach, only fired due to a motorcycle exposure
    Miami - fifteen years as an SEC head coach that included two conference titles
    UNC - three years as an SEC OC at Florida
    Wake Forest - one year OC at Tennessee
    Boston College - six years as a Florida assistant under Urban
    Duke - 19 years SEC assistant, 7 years SEC head coach, part of five SEC conference titles


    Eight of their head coaches have SEC experience and at least FIVE of those could be said to have SUBSTANTIAL SEC experience (it's a bit tricky including the Wake coach).

    On top of that one of those coaches - dabaxter - was the self-appointed guy who would be here if Saban stayed in Miami.

    (The folks who have been here since pre-Saban will chuckle out loud at that one).


    It could VERY easily be argued that that SEC experience has contributed to the rise of the ACC. I'm not listing it as the SOLE CAUSE but........look at your top three programs, the same one's Forde mentioned.

    Jimbo Fisher had EXTENSIVE SEC experience......and maybe I should point out that Fisher was already the proxy head coach for about three years when he got the job, so he got to screw up and not really be all that accountable for it. FSU was not overly good any of those three years......and back then the ACC wasn't exactly the SEC, either. But even though Florida is a huge state, I'll go ahead and say it - does anyone here actually believe it was an ACCIDENT that Fisher's rise in FSU just happened to occur at the same time Florida imploded with Muschamp (and there's one right there that would be the exception to the rule if there is any) and Miami being long-term terrible under Randy Shannon and Al Golden?

    Of course not. It's just like why Auburn had some very good (by their standards) years while Alabama was on probation (9-4, 8-5, 13-0, 9-3, 11-2, 9-4 and then Saban sets up camp with his own freshmen recruiting class and Auburn is suddenly 5-7; the same exact thing happened in the late 90s in Mississippi, where Ole Miss was crippled and MSU won a division title).

    I'm NOT saying Fisher isn't a good coach, but I think an argument can be made his SEC experience helps make him what he is.

    The same is true to an even greater extent of Bobby Petrino, whose Arkansas team in 2011 was probably the third-best team in the country behind Alabama and LSU. One year at Auburn in 2002? In and of itself not much - although his name was VERY prominent when Auburn hired Malzahn. Petrino only left because of the discovery of a legalized form of prostitution via the bike wreck. If not, he might.......ok MIGHT......still be in Arky.

    But he had himself a pretty good team during the SEC monster era. He was 5-7 with Nutt's scumbags in 2008, lost by 3 on the road to the second-best team in the country in 2009 (and got killed by the champs), outcoached himself in a Sugar Bowl against Ohio State that he clearly should have won, and beat the 2nd best team in the Big 12 in the Cotton Bowl, losing only to the two best teams in the land by 24 each in 2011.

    He built a good team during a difficult time so his SEC pedigree is paramount.


    Dabo's is a little less since he was so young, that was so long ago, and anyone who coached under Mike Dubious probably wasn't very good to begin with (though Dabo deserves credit for overcoming that nonsense).




    I'm not arguing that I'm taking that position, but it's a thought. The immediate counter will be to say, "Well, Cutcliffe spent all those years there and Duke isn't that good!" But surely: a) the extreme academic standards of Duke bear some of the burden; b) the fact Cutcliffe took them to their first bowl game in 18 years ought to mean something. He had three decent seasons in a row.
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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    Pretty sure Forde doesn't pick that headline.

    For my own part, I'm sort of down on the rest of the conference right now.
    Quit ruining my narrative
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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    What are we supposed to do? Hide from provocative articles? Ignore articles that are hyped up?

    I have posted articles greatly exaggerated dissing the SEC or Alabama because it was funny. Then someone will get on a high-horse and claim I shouldn't let them make me mad, they are only wanting clicks. Who said I was mad? I wasn't. Living in the light of public opinion is hard. I pity coaches and players.
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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Forrest View Post
    What are we supposed to do? Hide from provocative articles? Ignore articles that are hyped up?

    I have posted articles greatly exaggerated dissing the SEC or Alabama because it was funny. Then someone will get on a high-horse and claim I shouldn't let them make me mad, they are only wanting clicks. Who said I was mad? I wasn't. Living in the light of public opinion is hard. I pity coaches and players.
    I think you know exactly what you are going to get when you post something like that. The mass majority are going to go crazy and the realists are going to see right through it.

    Keep in mind there are apparently a good portion of posters that say that they ONLY get their information from Tidefans.com. I mean seriously how can you not know about stories like "mike the Tiger, Lane Kiffin, and the Jacob Coker transfer" only because someone posts a thread.

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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Well, here's a thought for you.....
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    Eight of their head coaches have SEC experience and at least FIVE of those could be said to have SUBSTANTIAL SEC experience (it's a bit tricky including the Wake coach).

    On top of that one of those coaches - dabaxter - was the self-appointed guy who would be here if Saban stayed in Miami.

    It could VERY easily be argued that that SEC experience has contributed to the rise of the ACC. I'm not listing it as the SOLE CAUSE but........look at your top three programs, the same one's Forde mentioned.
    These are excellent points. Thanks for looking all that up.
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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Forrest View Post
    What are we supposed to do? Hide from provocative articles? Ignore articles that are hyped up?

    I have posted articles greatly exaggerated dissing the SEC or Alabama because it was funny. Then someone will get on a high-horse and claim I shouldn't let them make me mad, they are only wanting clicks. Who said I was mad? I wasn't. Living in the light of public opinion is hard. I pity coaches and players.
    To be fair, I wasn't being critical of you nor should folks here take it personal.

    The angles get hyped up generally by journalists, who pretty much always use the most provocative title.

    Thing is, if you weren't the one who brought it here someone else would. That article - by contrast with many - is actually quite sane and calm.
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    most of the ACC vs SEC year in and year out is vs the SEC east

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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Note to Jimbo and ACC: College Football News ranks the top two conferences as follows for 2017

    1. SEC
    2. Pac 12


    http://collegefootballnews.com/2017/...rence-rankings

    I am sure other mags and sites will bear this out as well. My Phil Steele mags does not have this page and tells me it is on his site, but the link will not work.

    I figured my stats this year eight different ways.

    1. Average of National recruiting rank + Conference wins
    2. Average of National recruiting rank + P5 wins
    3. Average of National recruiting rank + FBS wins
    4. Average of 1 & 2.
    5. Average of 1, 2 & 3.
    6. Average of National recruiting rank + P5 bowl and playoff games
    7. Average of National recruiting rank + FBS bowl and playoff games
    8. Average of 6 & 7

    In all eight sets SEC is #1 and Pac 12 #2.

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    Re: Jimbo Fisher Proclaims that the ACC is the Superior Conference

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    When Dan Mullen is the second best coach in the conference then I say the SEC has regressed in terms of competition and stability. CNS has forced the hands of many ADs and chased off plenty of good coaches. I think if we are being honest:

    1 ACC
    2. SEC
    3. B1G
    4. PAC
    5 Big 12
    Who's schedule would you rather play?

    Clemson's Conference Schedule:

    at Louisville
    BC at home
    at VA Tech
    Wake Forest at home
    AT Syracuse
    GA TEch at Home
    at NC State
    FSU at home

    or

    at Vandy
    Ole Miss at home
    at A&M
    Arkansas at home
    UT at home
    LSU at home
    at Miss State
    at Auburn
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