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    Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    I've been meaning to post this for awhile, but things have came up in news. And it's the offseason.

    So I'm apart of some trivia teams and I've noticed some questions in which my team is one of the few to get it right in which I felt it was common knowledge questions. Here are some

    1) who are the 4 qbs with 3+ super bowl rings. My team was 1 of 17 teams to get it right

    2) rank these teams in order from most to least of Heisman winners. USC, ND, Stanford, Alabama. My team was the only one to get it right Many put Bama at #1

    3) name the team that had the only run which had 4 SB wins in 6 years. 20% got it right while the most put Pats and Cowboys

    4) what is the record between Bama and Florida in the SECCG. Was one of the 4 to get it right out of 20.

    There are plenty more, but these were some I thought were very big headscratchers. The age range is 21-70 of these contestants with the median around 35-45 range.

    There have been plenty of articles in the last 3 years come out from Espn, Fox, and others suggesting these runs are bad for football. So I thought this might be a fun topic.

    So here is the question," are these runs making runs like Steelers 70's, 49ers 80's, Cowboys 90's, Miami's 80's, and the 90's Nebraska runs more forgotten due to the dominance of the current runs by Bama and the Patriots?"

    Fwiw I think not, but I'm finding less folks rembering the dominance of those others I listed. And I find it odd because I was only alive for the Cowboys and Husker runs but still knew a lot about the others.
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    Sorry if this answer sucks, but I honestly don't care if it makes people forget about teams of the past. I really couldn't care any less - I'm just enjoying being here for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    So here is the question," are these runs making runs like Steelers 70's, 49ers 80's, Cowboys 90's, Miami's 80's, and the 90's Nebraska runs more forgotten due to the dominance of the current runs by Bama and the Patriots?"
    Let me add this - in both cases (Bama and NEP) they're dominating at a time when the rules are such that this sort of domination is far more difficult than it was before. If anything, someone who studies the history of the game should note that these dynasties are more impressive than they appear on the surface.

    So again, no don't care about those other dynasties. RTR
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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    So the question is whether a person prefers parity to a dynasty. Personally I'd rather see a dynasty. Obviously it's fun to watch if my team is the dynasty but even if it's a team that I don't like it then becomes fun to watch the team finally get beat. Parity leads to mediocre teams. I'd much rather watch a few great teams play than a bunch of mediocre teams.

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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    The Alabama and the Patriots Dynasties are great if you like WINNERS.

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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Let me add this - in both cases (Bama and NYP) they're dominating at a time when the rules are such that this sort of domination is far more difficult than it was before. If anything, someone who studies the history of the game should note that these dynasties are more impressive than they appear on the surface.

    So again, no don't care about those other dynasties. RTR
    Oh don't get me wrong I really don't care what others say about it, I'm more in the " bow down to your overlords and accept your place at our feet unless you have what it takes to do something about it " type stance because I really love watching both dynasties dominating (Especially Alabama RTR). My question is more geared towards "is ours (Bama) and Belichicks/ Brady's runs so dominating that they are making other runs irrelevant and forgotten?" Because I'm finding a lot of people who are in shock that these other runs even happened. I mean I'm not complaining, actually far from it since I'm a Bama and Belichick/ Brady fan seeing championships and racking up points at trivia, but I just think it's odd that what I thought was often perceived as common knowledge about Miami Hurricanes, 49ers, and the 70's Steelers is now being met with "huh?" And " did that actually happen?" responses.

    But to be clear on where I stand .... " Hail to the kings" "RTR" and "Do your job"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    My question is more geared towards "is ours (Bama) and Belichicks/ Brady's runs so dominating that they are making other runs irrelevant and forgotten?"
    I sure hope so - Miami of the 80's and Nebraska of the 90's are weak dynasties compared to what Saban has done at Bama.

    I'd love it if people relegated those 'dynasties' to secondary because the current dynasty is so much more impressive - it is.

    As for the NFL, I honestly don't care either way, but I think the Pats run is more impressive than any other, so I also don't care if people forget about 'the steel curtain' from 40 years ago. Yawn.
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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    It's always going to be like this when there's a team/program that has a successful run.

    From Minnesota in the 30s to ND and Army in the 40s to the Sooners in the 50s to Bama/ND/Michigan State in the 60s to Bama in the 70s to Miami in the 80s and so forth. Same can be said for the NFL.

    There are always going to be teams/programs that have great runs. Always have been, always will. In 20-30 years, there will be teams that eclipse the accomplishments of what today's powerhouse teams are doing. Doesn't diminish anything. Just gives us all something to debate and argue about.
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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    Quote Originally Posted by trenda View Post
    It's always going to be like this when there's a team/program that has a successful run.

    From Minnesota in the 30s to ND and Army in the 40s to the Sooners in the 50s to Bama/ND/Michigan State in the 60s to Bama in the 70s to Miami in the 80s and so forth. Same can be said for the NFL.

    There are always going to be teams/programs that have great runs. Always have been, always will. In 20-30 years, there will be teams that eclipse the accomplishments of what today's powerhouse teams are doing. Doesn't diminish anything. Just gives us all something to debate and argue about.
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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    No matter how you slice it -- it is not fair. For example, I remember the college game playing 10 games a year with only eight bowls. Now it is 12 games + 40 bowls and playoffs. So ..... coaches have much greater changes to pad the wins now and players can break records with 3, 4 or 5 more games each year. Also, freshmen can play now.

    1960 with 3 year career = max games 33.
    2016 with 4 year career = max games 56.

    Even counting a 3 year career today and not the championship game gives 39 games, six more than 1960 to bread records.
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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    I think this says more about the people taking part in these competitions.

    Something about the way we process information today.. we are far too prone to pay attention to only what's happening in the moment. And I mean truly in the moment as in what happened 5 seconds ago has become ancient history.

    No, I don't think the Alabama/Patriots dynasties are bad for the game in the manner that you've presented the question. I think people have become far too prone to live in the moment. To put it bluntly, we've dumbed ourselves down.

    Anyone serious about sports trivia ought to know that Alabama's first Heisman winner did not occur until Mark Ingram in 2009, and that Notre Dame and USC have had several Heisman winners, so there is no way Alabama would lead the list among that group.

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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    Belichick is the greatest talent evaluator in the history of the game up until this point and I think CNS learned a lot of that from him.

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    Re: Is the Alabama and Patriots run bad for football history?

    I forgot to answer the question. First, I would miss at least half 'cause I don't watch Pro Ball. I do not think great, historic runs hurt the game. It give other teams/coaches something to compare and shoot for ...... and most records are broken every couple of generations.
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