Police kill man in MS while serving warrant at wrong address

seebell said:

Gee, I don't know day-day. Did he open the door, the police saw a gun and then the home owner closed the door just before he was shot? Why do thye police do these raids late a night?

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2003TIDE said:

No knock raids to be specific. How do you know it's the Police if they don't announce themselves? Evidence be damned. Life is more important than evidence.

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formersoldier71 said:

About 8 months ago, 2 dudes escaped custody in Jasper. Big news in town.
A couple mornings after that, my wife is alone at the house; kids at school, me at work. She had had a tooth pulled the day before, so she took some pain med and was laying down in our bedroom, Because she didn't feel well, our Dane was in it's crate instead of roaming free in the house. The dog starts going apey and then she hears footsteps in the house. By the time she got her gun and got to the bedroom door, there was an officer on the other side. By the grace of God, she had a split-second moment of pause. If not for that, a local officer would have been shot, maybe dead, my wife would have probably been shot, maybe dead, and I'm sure that if the wife hadn't felt bad and had the dog out, she would have been shot. As it was, that dog put the fear of God in the officers that came in the house.
They said they received a phone tip that one of the escapees was at our address. She gets grilled about who she is and where is so-and-so. They're sheepish when they discover they hit the wrong house. She finds out the house is surrounded. They claim they came in when they saw the front door was ajar. Which it wasn't. And if it was, why was the mark of a pry bar visible on our door jamb? She was never shown a warrant. A lawyer says there's nothing we can do about it; legal.

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formersoldier71 said:

About 8 months ago, 2 dudes escaped custody in Jasper. Big news in town.
A couple mornings after that, my wife is alone at the house; kids at school, me at work. She had had a tooth pulled the day before, so she took some pain med and was laying down in our bedroom, Because she didn't feel well, our Dane was in it's crate instead of roaming free in the house. The dog starts going apey and then she hears footsteps in the house. By the time she got her gun and got to the bedroom door, there was an officer on the other side. By the grace of God, she had a split-second moment of pause. If not for that, a local officer would have been shot, maybe dead, my wife would have probably been shot, maybe dead, and I'm sure that if the wife hadn't felt bad and had the dog out, she would have been shot. As it was, that dog put the fear of God in the officers that came in the house.
They said they received a phone tip that one of the escapees was at our address. She gets grilled about who she is and where is so-and-so. They're sheepish when they discover they hit the wrong house. She finds out the house is surrounded. They claim they came in when they saw the front door was ajar. Which it wasn't. And if it was, why was the mark of a pry bar visible on our door jamb? She was never shown a warrant. A lawyer says there's nothing we can do about it; legal.

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2003TIDE said:

I always ask, but have any of you guys read Rise of the Warrior Cop? I think it is an interesting read on how we got to this point.

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formersoldier71 said:

About 8 months ago, 2 dudes escaped custody in Jasper. Big news in town.
A couple mornings after that, my wife is alone at the house; kids at school, me at work. She had had a tooth pulled the day before, so she took some pain med and was laying down in our bedroom, Because she didn't feel well, our Dane was in it's crate instead of roaming free in the house. The dog starts going apey and then she hears footsteps in the house. By the time she got her gun and got to the bedroom door, there was an officer on the other side. By the grace of God, she had a split-second moment of pause. If not for that, a local officer would have been shot, maybe dead, my wife would have probably been shot, maybe dead, and I'm sure that if the wife hadn't felt bad and had the dog out, she would have been shot. As it was, that dog put the fear of God in the officers that came in the house.
They said they received a phone tip that one of the escapees was at our address. She gets grilled about who she is and where is so-and-so. They're sheepish when they discover they hit the wrong house. She finds out the house is surrounded. They claim they came in when they saw the front door was ajar. Which it wasn't. And if it was, why was the mark of a pry bar visible on our door jamb? She was never shown a warrant. A lawyer says there's nothing we can do about it; legal.

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Bamabuzzard said:

I saw someone post on FB that he believes the reason for these type things is untrained/unqualified officers being turned loose into live action scenarios long before they are ready. One person in particular stated, and I don't know if it's true or not. A LEO is required to go through 300 hrs of training before becoming an active LEO. A barber goes through 1600 hrs of training. Again, not sure how valid that it is but it does raise the question. Are these guys really qualified and properly trained to do what they do? My guess is no. Are they truly professionals and experts at what they do? Or are they severely under trained and asked to do the job of an professional/expert?

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Bamabuzzard said:

I saw someone post on FB that he believes the reason for these type things is untrained/unqualified officers being turned loose into live action scenarios long before they are ready.

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Relayer said:

Maybe some clarification on typical state and local law enforcement training:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/slleta13.pdf

According to a U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics report in 2016 (stats from 2011-2013):

Excluding field training, basic training programs lasted an average of about 840 hours.

Overall, 37% of academies (which trained 31% of all recruits) required recruits to complete a mandatory field segment after graduating from the basic academy training program. Field training provides recruits with the opportunity to work with a field training officer in order to learn the practical aspects of law enforcement and community service, and to assimilate into the professional culture of a particular agency. More than two-thirds of state police or highway patrol (76%), county police (76%), municipal police (71%), and special jurisdiction (69%) academies had a field training requirement.

An additional 44% of academies (which trained 45% of all recruits) reported that there was a field training requirement, but the hiring agency oversaw it. When agency-specific requirements were included, there was a field training requirement for recruits at all county police and special jurisdiction academies and at nearly all municipal police (97%), multiagency or regional (96%), state police or highway patrol (94%), and sheriff’s office (90%) academies.

Among academies that oversaw a mandatory field training component, the average program was about 500 hours. Municipal police academies (630 hours) had the longest field training programs on average.

Maybe that's still not enough, but it seems a little more accurate than the standard internet sensationalism (not your doing, or course).

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Bamabuzzard said:

I saw someone post on FB that he believes the reason for these type things is untrained/unqualified officers being turned loose into live action scenarios long before they are ready. One person in particular stated, and I don't know if it's true or not. A LEO is required to go through 300 hrs of training before becoming an active LEO. A barber goes through 1600 hrs of training. Again, not sure how valid that it is but it does raise the question. Are these guys really qualified and properly trained to do what they do? My guess is no. Are they truly professionals and experts at what they do? Or are they severely under trained and asked to do the job of an professional/expert?

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day-day said:

This sounds awful based on initial reports.

I can see scenarios when shooting through the door is okay though this may not be the case. Highlighting that he was shot through the door does not indicate that this was a good or bad shooting.

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