Link: Saban speaks on Hand (legal discussion on NS)
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No suspension!
It's about time I get started up for another fantastic football season with the Tide!
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No suspension!
It's about time I get started up for another fantastic football season with the Tide!
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That particular article left out that he will have to perform community service and do some police ride alongs.
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Makes sense. If you think about it, suspending any player for a game - especially an impact player - really is punishing the whole team, not the player. I've never been for game suspensions of college players, unless they violated a football related rule. This is a police matter, and will be handled by the judicial system like all other DUI cases. Nothing at all to do with football. Trust Saban - Hand will pay a steep price - most likely one that involves extra conditioning - which should result in good things all the way around anyway. Plus whatever else he deems relevant to help the kid change his decision making.
Makes sense. If you think about it, suspending any player for a game - especially an impact player - really is punishing the whole team, not the player. I've never been for game suspensions of college players, unless they violated a football related rule. This is a police matter, and will be handled by the judicial system like all other DUI cases. Nothing at all to do with football. Trust Saban - Hand will pay a steep price - most likely one that involves extra conditioning - which should result in good things all the way around anyway. Plus whatever else he deems relevant to help the kid change his decision making.
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This LINK goes in far more detail. "... I have two choices. I can punish the guy for putting himself in a bad situation, aight, but making a pretty good decision after he put himself in that situation. Or we can take the situation that he put himself in, which is drinking, aight, and have him assessed for that and try to help him so he can make better choices and decisions in the future."
Listen, I'm old school but I agree with the decision. Coach Saban's logic makes sense to me in this situation.
This LINK goes in far more detail. "... I have two choices. I can punish the guy for putting himself in a bad situation, aight, but making a pretty good decision after he put himself in that situation. Or we can take the situation that he put himself in, which is drinking, aight, and have him assessed for that and try to help him so he can make better choices and decisions in the future."
Listen, I'm old school but I agree with the decision. Coach Saban's logic makes sense to me in this situation.
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I would've done differently just because it is so risky to even be behind the wheel while parked when impaired but I do not fault Saban. If he believes or can prove he didn't drive then this is more of an alcohol abuse issue.
I would've done differently just because it is so risky to even be behind the wheel while parked when impaired but I do not fault Saban. If he believes or can prove he didn't drive then this is more of an alcohol abuse issue.
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When I got busted for speeding, the judge made me go to the Children's Hospital trauma ward. I saw little kids who had been hit by drunk drivers and speeders. It is humbling. Coach should make him do that.
When I got busted for speeding, the judge made me go to the Children's Hospital trauma ward. I saw little kids who had been hit by drunk drivers and speeders. It is humbling. Coach should make him do that.
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As for the suspensions, the media just wants a scalp. No need to placate them.
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Enjoy your posts, friend, but this is pure speculation. All we know is Hand got his DUI for being asleep at the wheel of his parked car with the keys in the ignition. This tells us one of two things. Either he knew he was too drunk to drive and decided to sleep or wait it out, or he was so drunk he passed out once he got to the cozy confines of his car. We just don't know and it's unhelpful to speculate any further on the matter.
As for the suspensions, the media just wants a scalp. No need to placate them.
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Thanks for a better link. I was trying to get a thread up in a hurry and keep it on topic...
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Hopefully, Hand and his teammates will learn a lesson from this. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but that's Saban's job.
I agree and wonder what the reaction here would be if this had been a barn player.
Hopefully, Hand and his teammates will learn a lesson from this. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but that's Saban's job.
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I have to agree with coach. The fact that he didn't drive the vehicle means he at least made a good decision to not multiply a bad one.
I initially thought he was actually "Driving" under the influence. In that case, to me, it's a suspension period.
This puts a different light on the story.
I have to agree with coach. The fact that he didn't drive the vehicle means he at least made a good decision to not multiply a bad one.
I initially thought he was actually "Driving" under the influence. In that case, to me, it's a suspension period.
This puts a different light on the story.
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Didn't see this thread until now - but here's what I posted in the original thread over in N/S.....
Just saw the Coach Saban presser on Finebaum.
Community service and no loss of game time.
What I really appreciated is how Coach Saban explained his line of thought on the matter.
It makes ALL the difference in the world when you put things like this into context.
Handled very well.....
Didn't see this thread until now - but here's what I posted in the original thread over in N/S.....
Just saw the Coach Saban presser on Finebaum.
Community service and no loss of game time.
What I really appreciated is how Coach Saban explained his line of thought on the matter.
It makes ALL the difference in the world when you put things like this into context.
Handled very well.....
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This is certainly one way to look at it, and it seems that everyone here agrees with how CNS decided to handle it. I look at it like the player should face his teammates and apologize to them because it was his decision that let the team down, not the punishment that punished the whole team. Then he could say that it is time for someone to step up in his place and get the job done. To me, that is how team building and teaching lessons takes place. Playing in the game is the ultimate reward for players during the season. If they know they can make bad decisions and still play, what lessons are learned? They learn that if they are good enough, they can do whatever they want. As some have said, though, I do not know the entire situation. Did he decide to sleep it off and not drive? Did he just pass out before he was able to drive? Anyway, I like the quick decision so the speculation doesn't continue.
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“If he would have drove the car, it would have been a totally different circumstance.”
This was my exact stance all along. Saban knows better than I, and I take his word for it. I see no problem with no suspension providing he did not actually put people in harms way.
“If he would have drove the car, it would have been a totally different circumstance.”
This was my exact stance all along. Saban knows better than I, and I take his word for it. I see no problem with no suspension providing he did not actually put people in harms way.
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I am perfectly fine with Saban's decision. He did a great job explaining why he chose that route. Would have been completely different if he drove the car.
I am perfectly fine with Saban's decision. He did a great job explaining why he chose that route. Would have been completely different if he drove the car.
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Glad to see this instead of the knee-jerk reaction some of our posters had here...
Glad to see this instead of the knee-jerk reaction some of our posters had here...
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I guess this has turned out to be, what they now call in politics, a "nothing burger"
I guess this has turned out to be, what they now call in politics, a "nothing burger"
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I'll admit, I was kind of leaning towards a suspension--but CNS clearly explained his reasoning, which is sound. Plus, he made it clear that suspension is still a possibility of Hand doesn't live up to his obligations.
I'll admit, I was kind of leaning towards a suspension--but CNS clearly explained his reasoning, which is sound. Plus, he made it clear that suspension is still a possibility of Hand doesn't live up to his obligations.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he had to apologize to the team too.
In addition to the community service and police ride-alongs, I'm sure there are other things not made public like extra conditioning, classroom requirements, curfews etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had to apologize to the team too.
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