it only took 3 days for the Pres's people to convince him he should cal the KKK,Nazi's and other White Supremacist groups evil. Courage of Leadership right there! MAGA
Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters
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As the dust settles over Charlottesville (a bit), it seems that everyone (appropriately) is criticizing the violent alt-right thugs (although some were late to the party), but no one is criticizing violence-minded left-wing thugs.
Here was an accidentally candid assessment from a NY Times journalist who was there on the scene.
While like most people I condemn the violence-minded alt-right racists, I do not hear many condemning the violence-minded hard left. I find that odd.
Here was an accidentally candid assessment from a NY Times journalist who was there on the scene.
The twitter-storm was quick and harsh.
Rachel Moore said:
SocialJuliaWarrior said:
Perhaps Andrew has not heard of the Soviet Union, Kampuchea or the Chinese Communist Party.AndrewK said:
While like most people I condemn the violence-minded alt-right racists, I do not hear many condemning the violence-minded hard left. I find that odd.
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Was it not just last year 5 Dallas policeman were gunned down in cold blood following a BLM protest?
no violence would be the best solution. In fact if I had my way I would call for a boycott of the march. Let them march right through town, no cameras, no bystanders, nothing. Grab your flags and act like fools and be done with it. 2 marches in and they would end forever
Gonna be a lot of hot potato played among domain registrars and hosts.
Here's to hoping they can't find one and die an ignominious death.
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yeah, but what they were doing this past weekend is the equivalent of a large mob burning crosses, it is meant to instill terror in the general population. we can't sit back and let it seem like that is ok, this isn't just the 25 person klavern taking a saturday off from selling memorabilia at the flea market to prance around in their new robes at the state capitol. they are getting the attention they want now and i don't think it is going to go well for several of them.
Personally, and this might sound mean and heartless, I believe people have way too much time on their hands on both sides with all these protests, counter protests, and rallies. I believe that protests serve a purpose in democracy but it's getting ridiculous at how many we have had in the last year, and how violent they have become.
I wish law enforcement would step in earlier. When any "group" is trying to stage a protest it would be best if they were the only group allowed to gather on that day in that place. No matter which group it is. Violence isn't good for anyone. Hate is wrong no matter who the hater is. There is no way any sane person in this country could honestly believe that any race is better than the other, or more important for that matter. I also believe anyone blocking a public street without a parade permit should get to enjoy the hospitality of the local jail.
I think you're absolutely right. If I were Planetary Commander, I would have let the alt-right knuckleheads hold they march (and advised all decent Charlottesvilleans to close their shops and avoid the venue so it looked like a ghost-town and then held a rally of people of good will the very next weekend on the same venue to compare the relative strengths of both camps.
I'd be the second would be a lot fuller and folks would have noticed the difference.
Mostly because the left has given them way more attention in the bast two years in their attempt to link them with Trump.
I posted this on Facebook earlier today:
I typically don't make serious posts on Facebook, but the weekend past was far from typical.
I am a conservative. I unambiguously reject and condemn the words and actions of neo-nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville and anywhere else they may be. I do so, not because I'm a conservative, but because I'm an American. As any American should, I reject those who, by words and actions, themselves reject two foundational American principles: (1) that "all are created equal," and (2) that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.
The words and actions of the so-called alt-right (which is to conservatism as a flea is to a dog) are completely incompatible with the American ideal. They obviously do not believe that all are created equal, and they do not appear to believe in government by consent, and therefore require condemnation and rejection from all Americans. Other extreme voices are no less to be rejected on a typical day - the violent antifa and marxist elements, for example, no less reject those two principles - but they have the relative virtue of not having inspired one of their members to kill anyone in the last 48 hours. So, I’ll set them aside; for now.
As a Southerner, let me add this: enough with the confederate idol worship. Southern pride, per se, is not incompatible with being American; but it’s nonsensical to be proud that your home state was a member of the confederacy, and also to be proud to be an American. If the confederacy had succeeded, and I’ll put this as gently as I can, WE SOUTHERNERS WOULDN’T BE AMERICANS. It’s at least as idiotic as people’s supporting Bernie Sanders’ policies using the euphemism “democratic socialism,” as if a vote of 51% of the people justifies their taking whatever they want from the other 49%. Such a tyranny of the majority is antithetical to the very idea of America, just as are neo-nazism and white supremacy.
Was Robert E. Lee a bad guy? Probably not, and given the nature of his surrender at Appomatox, we could use more gracious losers like him in the world today; but the fact remains that he and his compatriots waged war AGAINST OUR COUNTRY, at least in part to preserve an economic system built on enslaving those of another race. We should study and learn from them, but not revere them. Perhaps those advocating tearing down confederate monuments could be a little less strident given that they seem to be winning the argument (grace, after all, is no less called for in winning than in losing); but the fact remains that whatever reasonable claim to noble southern heritage might have been made, was forfeited when southern states rediscovered the confederate flag and began to fly it over their capitals at the very moment desegregation was imminent. Seen in that context, with the flag and confederate pining appropriated by segregationist elements, what reasonable “heritage” argument remains, other than a heritage that is segregationist, racist, and vile?
It should be enough to be American. It’s time, past time, to let the confederacy go, or else find someplace else to be whatever it is you prefer; just don't expect me to go with you...
I typically don't make serious posts on Facebook, but the weekend past was far from typical.
I am a conservative. I unambiguously reject and condemn the words and actions of neo-nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville and anywhere else they may be. I do so, not because I'm a conservative, but because I'm an American. As any American should, I reject those who, by words and actions, themselves reject two foundational American principles: (1) that "all are created equal," and (2) that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.
The words and actions of the so-called alt-right (which is to conservatism as a flea is to a dog) are completely incompatible with the American ideal. They obviously do not believe that all are created equal, and they do not appear to believe in government by consent, and therefore require condemnation and rejection from all Americans. Other extreme voices are no less to be rejected on a typical day - the violent antifa and marxist elements, for example, no less reject those two principles - but they have the relative virtue of not having inspired one of their members to kill anyone in the last 48 hours. So, I’ll set them aside; for now.
As a Southerner, let me add this: enough with the confederate idol worship. Southern pride, per se, is not incompatible with being American; but it’s nonsensical to be proud that your home state was a member of the confederacy, and also to be proud to be an American. If the confederacy had succeeded, and I’ll put this as gently as I can, WE SOUTHERNERS WOULDN’T BE AMERICANS. It’s at least as idiotic as people’s supporting Bernie Sanders’ policies using the euphemism “democratic socialism,” as if a vote of 51% of the people justifies their taking whatever they want from the other 49%. Such a tyranny of the majority is antithetical to the very idea of America, just as are neo-nazism and white supremacy.
Was Robert E. Lee a bad guy? Probably not, and given the nature of his surrender at Appomatox, we could use more gracious losers like him in the world today; but the fact remains that he and his compatriots waged war AGAINST OUR COUNTRY, at least in part to preserve an economic system built on enslaving those of another race. We should study and learn from them, but not revere them. Perhaps those advocating tearing down confederate monuments could be a little less strident given that they seem to be winning the argument (grace, after all, is no less called for in winning than in losing); but the fact remains that whatever reasonable claim to noble southern heritage might have been made, was forfeited when southern states rediscovered the confederate flag and began to fly it over their capitals at the very moment desegregation was imminent. Seen in that context, with the flag and confederate pining appropriated by segregationist elements, what reasonable “heritage” argument remains, other than a heritage that is segregationist, racist, and vile?
It should be enough to be American. It’s time, past time, to let the confederacy go, or else find someplace else to be whatever it is you prefer; just don't expect me to go with you...
yeah, no.
this is a headline from foreign policy mag today (article is behind a firewall)
nice try.
i have not condoned and do not condone violence. i am also not going to lose a lot of sleep when idiots show up looking for a fight and with intent to terrorize the public and get their arses kicked.
my views on free speech have remained somewhat consistent over the past several years.
-sunlight is the best disinfectant for repugnant beliefs.
-free speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
the sunlight seems to be burning quite a few folks, and more than a few of these morons are learning a hard lesson about consequences.
President Supervillain already weighed in on the idea of hate back in 1989.
Yes it's out of context in regards to this. No I don't mind posting it anyway.
Yes it's out of context in regards to this. No I don't mind posting it anyway.
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