Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

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It's not Tiny.

Just like for every Islamic Terrorist, you have 100,000 observant believers who sympathize with their ends (not their means) There are more underground who sympathize with the beliefs of these marchers.
But that's the point - it's still tiny. Even if there are 250,000 people in the US that support the KKK / Nazis / etc, it's still only 0.07% of the population. Heck, if there are 2.5 million supporters it's less than 1% (0.7%) of the US population.

By way of comparison, the Nazi party in Germany had roughly 35% of the population supporting it.

Nazis / KKK / racial hate groups make up a TINY percentage of US citizens. It's simply the truth.

ETA: maybe people want to believe there's this much hatred, maybe people spend too much time watching the news media, which benefits from that belief. I don't know. But I don know they aren't a threat to us unless we allow them the platform.
 

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But that's the point - it's still tiny. Even if there are 250,000 people in the US that support the KKK / Nazis / etc, it's still only 0.07% of the population. Heck, if there are 2.5 million supporters it's less than 1% (0.7%) of the US population.

By way of comparison, the Nazi party in Germany had roughly 35% of the population supporting it.

Nazis / KKK / racial hate groups make up a TINY percentage of US citizens. It's simply the truth.
tiny percent of the overall US Population, sure

tiny percent of the GOP, perhaps

tiny percent of the current administration, no

but most importantly their political agenda is in no way a tiny percent of what the Trump administration is pushing in their own agenda. I outlined quite a bit of it already
 

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But that's the point - it's still tiny. Even if there are 250,000 people in the US that support the KKK / Nazis / etc, it's still only 0.07% of the population. Heck, if there are 2.5 million supporters it's less than 1% (0.7%) of the US population.

By way of comparison, the Nazi party in Germany had roughly 35% of the population supporting it.

Nazis / KKK / racial hate groups make up a TINY percentage of US citizens. It's simply the truth.

ETA: maybe people want to believe there's this much hatred, maybe people spend too much time watching the news media, which benefits from that belief. I don't know. But I don know they aren't a threat to us unless we allow them the platform.
1.7 million people watched "Houdini and Doyle" (the lowest rated TV show on network TV this year) -- that's 7X the number of people if 250K is the right number.
 

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It's not Tiny.

Just like for every Islamic Terrorist, you have 100,000 observant believers who sympathize with their ends (not their means) There are more underground who sympathize with the beliefs of these marchers.
Anecdotal I know, but I work with a lot of mechanics, truck drivers and all sorts of parts people. These are mostly hard working folks who lets just say don't have the highest levels of education or material things. Most are either Trump supporters or at least prefer him over the alternative. They like him mainly because he is much better for their wallets. I have never heard a single one of them say anything that would indicate they sympathize with either of those marches. I believe the estimation made that "there are more underground who sympathize" with the fringe is based largely on prejudices of many in the media and elitists who mostly have nothing but contempt for simple, hard working people who believe in God. Like I said, anecdotal only, but that is the 'general' feeling of most of the people I work with.
 

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This is ridiculous. People need to study history a little more. I mean, why stop there, 12 presidents owned slaves, 8 while acting as president. A number of presidents benefited electorally from slaves. In 1787, southern delegates wanted blacks counted as a complete persons, northern delegates didn't want them counted at all, the compromise was 3/5. This gave southern states an unfair advantage in early elections. DC had slave owners until 1865 even though slavery was abolished in the city in 1850. Lincoln lived in a White House that was staffed by slaves, although he didn't own them. Lincoln said this on Sept. 18, 1858: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to marry with whites.

My point is that this was just the way of life back then. Yes, many people were against slavery but, very few saw blacks as social and political equals. If we are going to completely erase slavery from history then many well regarded figures will have to be erased as well. Asking for figures such as Washington and Jackson to be removed is crossing the line IMO. To even suggest replacing one name with, the always devisive and racist, Jesse Jackson's name is repulsive.
 
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If we are going to completely erase slavery from history then many well regarded figures will have to be erased as well.
Failing to publicly glorify those who fought to preserve the continued enslavement of what they claimed to be an inferior race is not tantamount to erasing history.
 

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2.5 Million , distributed right, can sway a presidential election. Especially if they have not voted at all since 1992
Okay, and? If they wish to vote, they will.

I mean, what do you recommend? Outside of genocide, they aren't going away, so maybe we just ignore them and let them be instead of empowering them with wall to wall news coverage, making them feel like they have power.

And for the record, I don't think there are anywhere near 2.5 million people who support Nazis and the KKK - maybe 10% of that, if that...
 

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Failing to publicly glorify those who fought to preserve the continued enslavement of what they claimed to be an inferior race is not tantamount to erasing history.
If that is how you feel about George Washington then I feel bad for you.

Lincoln thought blacks were inferior from a social and political viewpoint. You gonna stop "publicly glorifying" him? Like I said, no matter how wrong it was, this was just the mindset back then. Who will be in charge of telling us who we can "publicly glorify", you? Washington is an American hero and I don't care what you, or anyone else, says.
 

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If that is how you feel about George Washington then I feel bad for you.

Lincoln thought blacks were inferior from a social and political viewpoint. You gonna stop "publicly glorifying" him? Like I said, no matter how wrong it was, this was just the mindset back then. Who will be in charge of telling us who we can "publicly glorify", you? Washington is an American hero and I don't care what you, or anyone else, says.
I've never once advocated that we remove public monuments glorifying Washington or Lincoln, and I disagree with any who do.
 

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yo Audio, that was good, so was this Statement

I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president’s Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn’t mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president’s words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces–made up and sustained by men and women of all races–could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America’s ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis–who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat–and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

It came from that notorious left wing loonie Mitt Romney
 

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so maybe we just ignore them and let them be instead of empowering them with wall to wall news coverage, making them feel like they have power.
This is the biggest thing ... the MSM is giving them too much coverage, and has for over 20 years.

I don't have a solution, but My biggest suggestion would be for the MSM to change how they cover this movement. They are feeding the trolls in the name of ratings.

AntiFa is part of the problem too..
And for the record, I don't think there are anywhere near 2.5 million people who support Nazis and the KKK - maybe 10% of that, if that...
If you don't use the brand names "Nazi" or "KKK", and phrase the questions right I think 2.5 million people could be found. I am including people who would say .. "They are wrong, but I understand" (IF It were G-rated, I would put Chris Rock's OJ Joke right here)

50 years ago this was largely confined to the south ...
 
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