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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    I liked the Huckabee quote about using the wrong caliber. Well played.

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    This guy probably attended with bad intentions as well (who brings a can of spray paint to a protest? Unless maybe he thought a spontaneous street art exhibit was going to break out).
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    Hmmm...I need to go read Trump's statement to see what all the panty-twisting is about. Let's see, he condemns hate, bigotry, and violence. Those look like pretty good things to condemn. Plus, he throws in a little support for unity. Shame on Trump I guess.
    I understand your point. But I think it's more than a little misleading when folks fall back to the "both sides did it argument" when the initial violence, the majority of violence, and the most serious act of violence all came from one side.

    Regarding Trump's weak response in particular, it's important to keep things in context. During the campaign, he danced for weeks to avoid disavowing the support of a former KKK grand wizard, despite knowing exactly who he was and what he represented. He's made no comment on the dramatic increase in white nationalist violence on his watch. He said absolutely nothing when a mosque was bombed in Minnesota, and his advisers even claimed that it was very likely a false flag event perpetrated by liberals to negatively influence the public's perception of far right extremists. He ignored the xenophobic murders in Portland and Kansas for days before issuing a vapid tweet in response that again sidestepped the bigotry underlying both attacks and stoked by his campaign rhetoric. And now Trump fronts a misleading narrative that implies both groups of protesters in Charlottesville were equally to blame for the violence while again refusing to condemn his white supremacist supporters. When directly asked, he even refused label the act of speeding a car into a group of peaceful protesters as an act of terrorism. This is not defensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    I understand your point. But I think it's more than a little misleading when folks fall back to the "both sides did it argument" when the initial violence, the majority of violence, and the most serious act of violence all came from one side.

    Regarding Trump's weak response in particular, it's important to keep things in context. During the campaign, he danced for weeks to avoid disavowing the support of a former KKK grand wizard, despite knowing exactly who he was and what he represented. He's made no comment on the dramatic increase in white nationalist violence on his watch. He said absolutely nothing when a mosque was bombed in Minnesota, and his advisers even claimed that it was very likely a false flag event perpetrated by liberals to negatively influence the public's perception of far right extremists. He ignored the xenophobic murders in Portland and Kansas for days before issuing a vapid tweet in response that again sidestepped the bigotry underlying both attacks and stoked by his campaign rhetoric. And now Trump fronts a misleading narrative that implies both groups of protesters in Charlottesville were equally to blame for the violence while again refusing to condemn his white supremacist supporters. When directly asked, he even refused label the act of speeding a car into a group of peaceful protesters as an act of terrorism. This is not defensible.
    I need a few more facts before throwing the terrorism word around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    I need a few more facts before throwing the terrorism word around.
    It's only domestic terrorism when committed by white "Christians." Let's get with the program.

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunCrimson View Post
    The spray paint was for his art......he's just a talented youth with no canvas for his masterpiece. He was painting "Peace and Love" on the steps -- and this floating torso with black boots (swinging a colorful stick) interrupted him.
    Looks like he was either painting backward or was finished before this happened. Look at the pic again.

    ETA: Looks like someone got peace as well.
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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    This guy probably attended with bad intentions as well (who brings a can of spray paint to a protest? Unless maybe he thought a spontaneous street art exhibit was going to break out).
    Is that considered terrorism?

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    Is that considered terrorism?
    The white guy with the flag is a terrorist. The black guy, with a flaming can of paint trying to burn the white guy, is a patriot.

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    I need a few more facts before throwing the terrorism word around.
    Was the attack in France on Bastille Day considered terrorism? Was it terrorism when a truck plowed into a Berlin Christmas Market last year? Or when a vehicle mowed down pedestrians on the Westminster bridge two months ago? I'm not really seeing the nuance you want clarified here.

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    Was the attack in France on Bastille Day considered terrorism? Was it terrorism when a truck plowed into a Berlin Christmas Market last year? Or when a vehicle mowed down pedestrians on the Westminster bridge two months ago? I'm not really seeing the nuance you want clarified here.
    You should know better. You have to be Muslim to be a terrorist. This was just your normal every day running a car through a crowd of protestors

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    Was the attack in France on Bastille Day considered terrorism? Was it terrorism when a truck plowed into a Berlin Christmas Market last year? Or when a vehicle mowed down pedestrians on the Westminster bridge two months ago? I'm not really seeing the nuance you want clarified here.
    I'd need to know the circumstances leading up to the incident, but since McMaster has access to more information than any of us, I'll take his word for it.

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    I'd need to know the circumstances leading up to the incident.
    So you are playing the Atl-Right "he was defending himself" card?

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    Re: Rioting at Charlottsville Va (UVA) by white nationalists and counter protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    I'd need to know the circumstances leading up to the incident.
    What set of circumstances would make this anything but intentional? What other reason was there for him doing this but to kill and maim? What other motive for this intent would he have in this circumstance? Have you not seen the videos? Are you unaware of the happenings? Or is the obtuseness on display the same the Trump has displayed over and over?
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