What does standing for the anthem and flag mean?

Intl.Aperture said:

Well, hey, some people really do like it and take it seriously. I really think it's subjective. I don't need it to get me in a lather about our country but not everyone who enjoys the anthem is taking part in pseudo-patriotic pandering. Whatever money the DoD put behind it or whatever motive the NFL has for playing it many many people use it as a genuine moment of reflection.

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Jon said:

sure they do, doesn't change the fact that they are being fooled by the DoD and NFL's marketing budgets to see NFL football as an inherently patriotic event.

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81usaf92 said:

Explain this

I have no issue with players kneeling for a cause they believe in. Personally I would like politics and sports be separated when the game is on, but its whatever. But my biggest issue with this whole movement is how committed and genuine is Colin in this. He has made some headlines that makes many believe this is more of a PR movement because he was benched.

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RollTide_HTTR said:

That whole Mike Pence thing was hilarious. Such a sham and I thought it was hilarious he used a photo from 2014 or whatever to show he was "ready for the game."
Not to make this into a Fidel debate (I doubt anyone disagrees he was oppressive) but SOME of what Fidel originally stood for and did wasn't bad. People like to make Fidel out to be this terrible evil dictator, and in many ways he was, but its important to understand the history of Cuba in general to understand Fidel and some of the positive impact he had on Cuba. Again, not a Fidel fan or anything but hey we had some founding fathers that did/said some things we would consider pretty awful and anti american today (Hamilton and Jefferson are 2 examples)

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Bamaro said:

This whole thing is such a sham. If people hadn't got their panties in a wad over this in the first place nobody would still be talking about it now. It has taken on a life of its own.

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92tide said:

well, the panties in a wad party won the presidency and have control of congress.

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selmaborntidefan said:

I'm guessing it's a word play.


John Piper (with the h) is a well-known Reformed pastor in Minnesota with a worldwide ministry.

Jon the Tidefans poster is well-known among us as something of a fiscal conservative/social liberal.


I'm guessing he's saying someone is singing the same tune as Jon and using a well-known name to make the point.

Maybe.....

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Mystical said:

The Cowboys will be getting a bunch of new fans with the stance Jerry Jones has taken.

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Jon said:

The stand when he kneeled with his team last week or this weeks principled stand?

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Redwood Forrest said:

I despise Gay Marriage and Abortion. Should I stop honoring the flag and the anthem in protest? After all, the flag and the anthem represent the freedom that gave the judges and elected officials the legal power to legislate those things I despise. Should I boycott, deny and disrespect the symbols of the freedom I love?

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Jon said:

do whatever you like, doesn't affect me

see how easy this can be?

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RollTide_HTTR said:

Do you bite your thumb at us sir?

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TIDE-HSV said:

I haven't read the intervening 8 pages, but it's worth noting that 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses will not salute the flag; at least 200K Amish won't stand and most Quakers won't recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Their beliefs are sincere but not novel...

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CharminTide said:

For the people who still don't understand why players feel so compelled to protest racial inequality in police interactions, you should watch this video.

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