What does standing for the anthem and flag mean?

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And people wonder how Trump got elected....yeah keep pushing your agenda on the folks.......:p
well the (rarely used) third verse isn't that great

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
 

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well the (rarely used) third verse isn't that great
You do know the story behind that verse, right?

The British commander, Alexander Cochrane, in the campaign that witnessed the bombardment of Ft. McHenry and the burning of the White House had tried to hire Americans to fight for the Crown and had issued a proclamation that any U.S. slave who left his owner and joined the british forces would be emancipated.
Just like Governor Dunmore had done in Virginia in 1776 and Abraham Lincoln had done in 1862.

People living in a slave society, whether they own slaves or not, do not take kindly to people trying to stir up a slave insurrection because slave insurrections tend to be indisciminate.
Hugh Forbes, one of John Brown's associates in 1858, had warned John Brown that a slave insurrection would “leap beyond his control, or any control,” because a slave insurrection was “from the very nature of things deficient in men of education and experience.” F. S. Key and his neighbors probably had similar concerns in 1814.
 

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You do know the story behind that verse, right?

The British commander, Alexander Cochrane, in the campaign that witnessed the bombardment of Ft. McHenry and the burning of the White House had tried to hire Americans to fight for the Crown and had issued a proclamation that any U.S. slave who left his owner and joined the british forces would be emancipated.
Just like Governor Dunmore had done in Virginia in 1776 and Abraham Lincoln had done in 1862.

People living in a slave society, whether they own slaves or not, do not take kindly to people trying to stir up a slave insurrection because slave insurrections tend to be indisciminate.
Hugh Forbes, one of John Brown's associates in 1858, had warned John Brown that a slave insurrection would “leap beyond his control, or any control,” because a slave insurrection was “from the very nature of things deficient in men of education and experience.” F. S. Key and his neighbors probably had similar concerns in 1814.
just pointing out to bazza that things weren't as cut an dried as his post implied.
 

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just pointing out to bazza that things weren't as cut an dried as his post implied.
Agreed.
I just don't think even that stanza is as bad as the California NAACP thinks it is.
The stanza is not putting down slaves, just slaves (and hirelings) who fought for the British.

People are complicated. People in the past no less so than people today.
 
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Garden City Community College basketball team has a pre-game ritual that they go into the locker room for last comments during the national anthem. This strikes me as a reasonable accommodation.
Rasool Samir, a basketball player for Garden City Community College, decided not to go to the locker room, but to stay on the court and shoot hoops during the national anthem. He was dismissed form the team and given a ticket home to Philadelphia.
Enter the ACLU. Now, Mr. Samir says his religion forbids him to pledge allegiance to anything bu Allah so he cannot show loyalty to the United States (which is in itself an interesting interpretation to assert; is this interpretation common to all muslims? Most muslims? a particular sect of islam?). According to the ACLU, his religion mandates that he shoot hoops during the national anthem. He already violated team policy by avoiding the team's return to the locker room.
The American Civil Liberties Union has voiced concern that Samir may have been disciplined for exercising his First Amendment rights. It’s still gathering information and hasn’t decided whether to sue.
The ACLU has done a lot of good at times, but I hope they give this case a pass. The team already gave him an out. Just accompany all of your teammates into the dadgum locker room and you'd've been fine. Nobody is expecting you to "violate your religious freedom," you were just being a jerk.
 
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