Who are college football's bluebloods ?

BamaInBham

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I think that this thread has made one thing clear - this comes down to opinions and perceptions, not facts and figures. Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.

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Exactly. Which is the reason for the original t-i-c statement: "I assume everyone agrees with this categorization, so I guess there's not much need of discussion :)."

It's kinda like "I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it", except that everyone sees it differently". I do think most include the same 6-8 teams, the first 5 in almost the same order: Alabama, ND, OU, USC, OSU, then UTx, Mich, Neb. Production, however you want to measure it, and undefinable charisma/intangibles seem to be the primary ingredients. To me, the charisma is what separates the first 4. But in the end it is arbitrary, but on its current run, it's becoming hard not to see Bama at the top. But that's at this moment, it can change in a decade.
 

UntouchableCrew

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You are probably right, but.... what happens if Chip Kelley shows up on campus?? What then??
I would assume Scott Frost (Chip Kelley disciple, Husker alum and currently killing it as UCF coach) is their first choice. It'll be interesting if he wants to go back there.
 

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The term itself conveys a sense of royalty, and that makes it easier to leave out a Nebraska, LSU, Miami, or Florida in favor of a Michigan or Notre Dame. I don't think NCs alone are the right way of doing that, but if you consult the all time rankings here, I think you get a pretty solid idea: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php

Alabama, Notre Dame, Southern California, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Ohio St. To me that sounds about right.

Those teams all have won a lot of games, have rich histories, and won plenty of national titles to.
 

BamaInBham

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Somewhat off topic, but since others had posed an SEC hierarchy earlier, I responded with a bunch of stats of interest showing Bama's stunning domination vs the rest. One more stat: Bama has more unblemished (no loss or tie) regular seasons than the rest of the SEC combined, 18-17 (UT 2nd with 5), and more unblemished seasons including post season than the rest combined, 9-8 (3 tied for 2nd with 2). Criteria: post 1914 with at least 9 games played.
 

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To me blue bloods are the combination of championship, money, power, fan base, and tradition. I would put Texas in elite status.

My top 10:
1. Bama
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame
4. Ohio State
5. USC
6. Michigan
7. Texas
8. Florida States
9. Nebraska
10. Penn State

Just missed the list:
1. Florida
2. Miami
3. Tennessee
4. Auburn
5. Clemson

Elite/Bluebloods are the programs even when they are down. Fans still pack the stadium and show support to their teams. Neb, Penn State fits in that category.

The teams miss the list won some championships. Yet they are not as consist and fans are not as supportive as the elite teams. Like barn's fans..:)
Why did you include awbern anywhere on your list? :confused:
 

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I wonder how many programs have the funding, geography, and name brand to be national contenders on a regular basis if the right coach were hired? Alot of programs just lack the facilities, name brand to attract recruits, etc. And no coach would have them in the discussion every year.
 

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Why did you include awbern anywhere on your list? :confused:
To me blue bloods are the combination of championship, money, power, fan base, and tradition. I would put Texas in elite status.

My top 10:
1. Bama
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame
4. Ohio State
5. USC
6. Michigan
7. Texas
8. Florida States
9. Nebraska
10. Penn State

Just missed the list:
1. Florida
2. Miami
3. Tennessee
4. Auburn
5. Clemson

Elite/Bluebloods are the programs even when they are down. Fans still pack the stadium and show support to their teams. Neb, Penn State fits in that category.

The teams miss the list won some championships. Yet they are not as consist and fans are not as supportive as the elite teams. Like barn's fans..:)
Started laughing when I got to Awburn and was rolling in the floor when I saw Klempsun :biggrin:
 

Pilot172000

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As a new student. I could not understand why my teachers didn't enunciate the name of a certain university. I now understand and will continue this practice until I die.
 

selmaborntidefan

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The Blue Bloods HISTORICALLY are:
Alabama
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Ohio St
USC
Michigan


A Cut Below?
Nebraska
Miami
FSU

(What these last two have done in a short period of time is incredible)


I don't consider Penn State, Tennessee, LSU, or Auburn even worthy of a mention. Granted, all 3 are in the top 20 programs of all-time but that's not the elite of the elite.
 

selmaborntidefan

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You forgot Bevo U. :biggrin2:
They're a cut below, too.


For a team with all that money that can buy whatever they want, they've got to be the most underachieving bunch in American sports history.

Since they actually integrated their football team several years too late by their standards, they've won ONE national title. ONE!!!

My God, BYU (speaking of integration) has as many national titles in the same time span as Texas.

So does Colorado. Georgia Tech. Georgia.
 

Pilot172000

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This discussion can't even occur without a definition of what a 'blue blood' is, and this question makes it clear. But I can actually answer this one.....the acceptability of my answer by the board at large may be debated, of course.

For starters, Michigan was a BIG DEAL from the earliest days of college ball.....Nebraska wasn't.

Nebraska was a fifty-year comet that blasted across the sky of an ever-changing game. But let's be honest....how many Nebraska coaches BEFORE Bob Devaney can ANY of you name without looking them up? Seriously.....that answers the question. Michigan had legendary names like Fielding Yost, Bernie Oosterban, and Bump Elliott long before Bo Schembechler's name became synonymous with "loser of the Rose Bowl."

Nebraska's national titles are limited to two brief runs - Devaney's back-to-back in 1970-71 and Osborne's dynasty of 1994-97.

And to be fair, a lot of Michigan's status comes from the fact they went to a lot of Rose Bowls. Unfair but true. Oh, and they've won more games than any team in history helps.





The problem here is that now you're arguing like an Alabama fan who has zero appreciation for anything not in OUR worldview. I'm not trying to sound mean, but this is one of the things that drives me nuts on this board. Appreciation of a team in context is necessary. In fact, if we use this argument then ONLY Alabama is a blue blood.

Ohio State may have only won two national titles since then, but consider how many times they've been ranked number one week to week (meaning the perception AT THE TIME was that they were the nation's best team) and how many times did they PLAY for the national title or a game that helped another team win the national title? Just going from my memory in my lifetime (which is hardly complete since back in the day the game was so regional and you could go an entire season without even seeing them)...

1979 - lost the Rose Bowl, if they win they likely beat out an unbeaten Alabama team
1995 - top flight team that lost to Michigan and cost them a possible title; Eddie George won the Heisman
1996 - again lost to Michigan and was dependent upon other circumstances but DID beat Arizona State....without that,
Florida doesn't win the title
2006 - number one going into the BCS title game
2007 - again.....
2013 - loses the B1G game else Auburn isn't in the title game against FSU
2015 - loses the Mich St game that costs them a playoff berth
2016 - gets into playoff but gets killed by Clemson

So they've been "in the hunt" many times




The fact we had lousy coaches and made some godawful hires doesn't change the fact that virtually every team we played would have rather beaten us than any other team on their schedule. Furthermore, it was known at the time that once we got through the sanctions then we would be okay.




Well then let's look at it like this.......

NATIONAL TITLES

Michigan - won in the aughts, 20s, 30s, 40s, and 90s
Ohio State - 40s, 50s, 60s, 00s
OU - 50s, 70s, 80s, 00s
Notre Dame - teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s

Miami's national titles save for the 2001 were in a compressed period of time (1983-1991), suggesting perhaps a 'team of the era,' not a long-term champion; FSU won 2 of their 3 in a seven-season span.

Or look at it like this.....

Alabama was the team of the early 60s AND the team of the 70s AND the team of 2009-present.
Notre Dame was both the team of the early 20s AND the team of the 40s post-WW2.

Nebraska may have won 3 national titles in four years, but I'll guarantee you more people remember the longer term run of Florida State as more impressive, particularly when you remember that Nebraska never was able to beat FSU and save for the one impressive game in 1994, NEVER beat Miami, either.

Think about it.....FSU played for the title in 93-96-98-99-00......but that's still a compressed run and not a long-term happening.



But again you're ignoring context. USC also had some Heisman winners that garnered national attention before 2003, most notably Marcus Allen in 1981.

In short, you're arguing "if you're not the national champion then your program is no good," which is ludicrous.

Minnesota has more cfb national titles than Texas........how many people even know that?

Does anyone with a brain consider Minnesota a better all-time program than Texas?
Reviewing your arguments, I believe you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Context. You say Nebraska's Orange Bowls and Conference titles are irrelevant but we HAVE to count Ohio States and Meechigans Rose Bowls and Big Ten titles. This is circular logic. Your first argued National Titles a a major part of your first argument and now you are saying that meh thats not all. I am so confused in how you are quantifying any of this because it changes every other post. I think we could argue all these numbers until we are blue in the face and I think we are almost there. If we held a poll its seems we it would be 50-50 down the line on whether Nebraska is a blueblood. I think they are, You don't. That just shows that we all have strong opinions with different guidelines.
 

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Nebraska simply doesn't have the history that Michigan or Ohio St. has. Now, if you push the notion far enough it would include Nebraska, but I wouldn't. And the link I posted wouldn't. They have Nebraska at 8th, with Texas ahead and LSU behind. I'd put those all in a second tier, as none of those programs really have been consistently great.

I would add that there is also a common sense element to this. Is Nebraska a dream job for anyone at this point? Yes, even Notre Dame is still a dream job for some (perhaps still for UM). The prestige just isn't there for Nebraska.
 
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Michigan is the all time leader in number of wins with 939. But has only 2 NCs one in 1948 and one in 1997. Does that make them a blue blood?
 

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I would never count LSU or UGA as one. I would say Florida is close but definitely fit the Nouveau Riche category. FSU same thing. For anyone who knows, was Tennessee ever great outside the Neyland era? They were good in the late 90's but not what I would call great.
This stat is 'about' 10 years old 'I think'. At the time I read it, the article stated that since 1925, Alabama had the most wins (or highest win %, sorry don't have Selma's memory) and that TN was second. Personally, I don't think it is enough to vault them into blueblood status, but it is impressive (if true).
 

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It is basically CFDB's list but they shook up the order a bit. Their whole five way tie thing is also nonsense. But they have the same top 6 as CFDB and then the next 3 are also the same (and in the same order). After that their order gets jumbled up a bit, but I think it's easy to make the case for for those first 6, and then debate if Texas, Nebraska, and LSU belong in. They don't in my opinion, but that's subjective.
 

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Their rationale is horribly flawed. First they say that the criteria is a team that has been a great influence on the history of the sport, and then they ignore all championships in the pre-AP poll era, but they include all wins and conference championships, even if they occurred before the AP-poll era. At least be consistent. If the only criteria is having had an impact on the history of the sport, the early years should have equal weight. Where would college football be without the pioneers of the sport, which are totally ignored in their poll results?

Idiots.
 

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