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    Re: Boy Scouts Will Admit Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    I guess the part I'm not getting is, "Why can't you still just have the Girl Scouts and make it more like the Boy Scouts?"
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    I'm sure they could but I don't think the desire is there when their main goal is to help create future multi level marketing customers & have the girls rake in dough for dough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    I'm sure they could but I don't think the desire is there when their main goal is to help create future multi level marketing customers & have the girls rake in dough for dough.
    You know, I never realized that before, and my oldest is a scout. Hmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUDub View Post
    You know, I never realized that before, and my oldest is a scout. Hmm.
    It's not exactly to the pyramid scheme level but has a lot of similarities to the point that it should be considered when weighing things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    It's not exactly to the pyramid scheme level but has a lot of similarities to the point that it should be considered when weighing things out.
    Yeah, the parallels are definitely there.

    As an aside, my wife almost got sucked in by Rodan + Fields. My hackles went up right away and we luckily dodged that bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUDub View Post
    Yeah, the parallels are definitely there.

    As an aside, my wife almost got sucked in by Rodan + Fields. My hackles went up right away and we luckily dodged that bullet.
    I constantly see friends and extended family getting sucked in by these things and most of the the time I can only shake my head because most people won't listen when you try to tell them. Most recently a friend's wife had gotten hooked on buying LulaRoe leggings (which are ugly as sin anyway) even though she hadn't gotten to the point of wanting to invest and sell them yet. Had warned him it was a scam but don't think it really sank in. Still waiting for the day when she offers my wife an opportunity.

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    I think I can talk about this more clearly now that the anger has settled and I talked last night with some of the fellas from my old troop that also earned their Eagle.

    Some of those guys just don't care anymore. Those that don't care have seen Scouting become more aligned with Girl Scouts in being a tax-free popcorn corporation with child labor, just like the Girl Scouts are with the cookies. Those that feel this way wrote them off a long time ago.

    A couple of the guys were super angry like me. We were the ones that were looking forward to our boys going through it also, but had not been as involved and didn't understand that it went from constant activity and support from the corporate office to supporting the corporate office through fundraising constantly. I heard that there are some good troops out there still, but that they are kinda difficult to find and you are going to be pressured to constantly fundraise.

    We all agreed that earning that rank used to mean something and that one day people will ask each other whether their Eagle was earned back when it meant something or not. My anger quickly turned to sadness that something which means so much to me, much more than my degrees, was no longer something of significant value because of the corrupt corporate office and failing standards. It's left me grieving and I now understand why those old guys when I was a kid told me about the good old days. They got to see things degrade over time that meant the world to them, just like I have with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Monroe View Post
    I think I can talk about this more clearly now that the anger has settled and I talked last night with some of the fellas from my old troop that also earned their Eagle.

    Some of those guys just don't care anymore. Those that don't care have seen Scouting become more aligned with Girl Scouts in being a tax-free popcorn corporation with child labor, just like the Girl Scouts are with the cookies. Those that feel this way wrote them off a long time ago.

    A couple of the guys were super angry like me. We were the ones that were looking forward to our boys going through it also, but had not been as involved and didn't understand that it went from constant activity and support from the corporate office to supporting the corporate office through fundraising constantly. I heard that there are some good troops out there still, but that they are kinda difficult to find and you are going to be pressured to constantly fundraise.

    We all agreed that earning that rank used to mean something and that one day people will ask each other whether their Eagle was earned back when it meant something or not. My anger quickly turned to sadness that something which means so much to me, much more than my degrees, was no longer something of significant value because of the corrupt corporate office and failing standards. It's left me grieving and I now understand why those old guys when I was a kid told me about the good old days. They got to see things degrade over time that meant the world to them, just like I have with this.
    As I said earlier, I was never really in Boy Scouts so I don't know much about the details of the program or anything. But I do have a question, Boy Scouts has recently received a ton of bad press for a variety of reasons and I believe membership has been down. Again, I don't know enough of the specifics here but is this action taken by the Boy Scouts partially because of a fear that they may become irrelevant? And if that was part of the motivation would that change your opinion on it at all? I understand how you feel to an extent but what if the options are for the Boy Scouts to completely go away or for them to make this kind of a change and maintain some relevance? Again, I do not know enough about the situation to say this is what is happening but I would bet it is a part of it.

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    ... if that was part of the motivation would that change your opinion on it at all?

    ... if the options are for the Boy Scouts to completely go away or for them to make this kind of a change and maintain some relevance? .
    The Scouts have indeed seen a ton of bad press over the years. That really isn't what hurt their numbers. The times and culture have changed. It is difficult to do all the things we used to do with the docile, soft children of today.
    (Do I have to say that not all children are docile and soft so that someone doesn't jump down my throat for stating obvious facts? The boys and the other adults would laugh in the face of the one nerdy dad that brought a helmet rappelling.)
    If they were subjected to the things we were, they probably wouldn't like it.

    Yes. It bothers me. I would prefer for it to be a small organization and not change. I know it makes me sound like the guys that bemoan the advent of the three point line in basketball or the spread option in football saying that it isn't the same game and that the old records set by the best athletes carry more weight, but what they have done to it sucks to me. I'm stuck in the past I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Monroe View Post
    Yes. It bothers me. I would prefer for it to be a small organization and not change. I know it makes me sound like the guys that bemoan the advent of the three point line in basketball or the spread option in football saying that it isn't the same game and that the old records set by the best athletes carry more weight, but what they have done to it sucks to me. I'm stuck in the past I suppose.
    I would imagine that the majority of us have certain things that we're the same way about. Not really any shame in feeling like that but change is always coming especially when you deal with something that brings in money, it is always going to either change to keep making that money or die out as something else moves in and takes the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Monroe View Post
    The Scouts have indeed seen a ton of bad press over the years. That really isn't what hurt their numbers. The times and culture have changed. It is difficult to do all the things we used to do with the docile, soft children of today.
    (Do I have to say that not all children are docile and soft so that someone doesn't jump down my throat for stating obvious facts? The boys and the other adults would laugh in the face of the one nerdy dad that brought a helmet rappelling.)
    If they were subjected to the things we were, they probably wouldn't like it.

    Yes. It bothers me. I would prefer for it to be a small organization and not change. I know it makes me sound like the guys that bemoan the advent of the three point line in basketball or the spread option in football saying that it isn't the same game and that the old records set by the best athletes carry more weight, but what they have done to it sucks to me. I'm stuck in the past I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    As I said earlier, I was never really in Boy Scouts so I don't know much about the details of the program or anything. But I do have a question, Boy Scouts has recently received a ton of bad press for a variety of reasons and I believe membership has been down. Again, I don't know enough of the specifics here but is this action taken by the Boy Scouts partially because of a fear that they may become irrelevant? And if that was part of the motivation would that change your opinion on it at all? I understand how you feel to an extent but what if the options are for the Boy Scouts to completely go away or for them to make this kind of a change and maintain some relevance? Again, I do not know enough about the situation to say this is what is happening but I would bet it is a part of it.
    Boy Scouts registration has been declining through the years. There are lots of competing activities these days that didn't exist for the first 70yrs of its existence, and perhaps the outdoors and survival/leadership don't attract boys like they used to when they can play video games all day. Boy Scouts is simultaneously suffering from having to maintain massive liability coverage (as are most youth-oriented activities these days) and they are having to sell off property to cover it. The corporate side of BSA is looking for any way to increase revenue. In, imo, a desperate bid to increase membership, they have decided to move away from their core mission statement.

    "The purpose of this corporation shall be to promote, through organization and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in Scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using methods which are now in common use by the Boy Scouts."
    They want to cater to "families" but IMO, Scouts was never about families. If I wanted to go camping with my family I would have petitioned my parents to go camping as a family. I wanted to do something on my own. At most Scouts was a chance for father-son time. No kid learns to be self reliant by having their parents and their younger siblings around all the time.

    And as with most other organizations who change their core values and mission statement to try to cater to a larger population, they have abandoned their base and I predict will continue to see a decline in membership, just as happened when they decided to open it up to homosexual men and "transgender" boys the last 5yrs. People who didn't give two figs about the Boy Scouts will clap for a minute and say "look how accepting the BSA is now" and continue not to give two figs about the BSA. Those who did care will no longer recognize their organization. They are nothing more than any other family activity now. Good job.
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    ^kinda how I feel about all this
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    Re: Boy Scouts Will Admit Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by RammerJammer14 View Post
    Boy Scouts registration has been declining through the years. There are lots of competing activities these days that didn't exist for the first 70yrs of its existence, and perhaps the outdoors and survival/leadership don't attract boys like they used to when they can play video games all day. Boy Scouts is simultaneously suffering from having to maintain massive liability coverage (as are most youth-oriented activities these days) and they are having to sell off property to cover it. The corporate side of BSA is looking for any way to increase revenue. In, imo, a desperate bid to increase membership, they have decided to move away from their core mission statement.



    They want to cater to "families" but IMO, Scouts was never about families. If I wanted to go camping with my family I would have petitioned my parents to go camping as a family. I wanted to do something on my own. At most Scouts was a chance for father-son time. No kid learns to be self reliant by having their parents and their younger siblings around all the time.

    And as with most other organizations who change their core values and mission statement to try to cater to a larger population, they have abandoned their base and I predict will continue to see a decline in membership, just as happened when they decided to open it up to homosexual men and "transgender" boys the last 5yrs. People who didn't give two figs about the Boy Scouts will clap for a minute and say "look how accepting the BSA is now" and continue not to give two figs about the BSA. Those who did care will no longer recognize their organization. They are nothing more than any other family activity now. Good job.
    this was happening in the 80's when i was in. the troop i was in was pretty much disintegrating by the time i was 15 or so. i stayed in because i was involved with the oa, liked working at camp horne each summer and the black warrior council usually had a "high adventure" trip each year that i liked going on (e.g. philmont, boundary waters, backpacking the at for a week).

    btw, there were more than a few homosexual kids in scouts at that time. i was very happy when they became more accepting.
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