What happened to the "screen"pass?

Professor · Oct 16, 2017

Seems to me that we tend to run straight ahead, pass to the flat or go downfield. With such big fullbacks and an offensive line that tends to let the defense through, one would think that a screen pass would be a reasonable neutralizer. I can just see one of our big backs getting past the onrush and catching the screen with a lot of green ahead.
It may be that Jalen can't lift it over the defensive line, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know.
What do the pros think?

BamaMoon · Oct 16, 2017

Simple answer is we really haven't needed to run the screen much. It'll come in hand against LSU and Auburn and Georgia, no doubt.

MattinBama · Oct 16, 2017

Professor said:
Seems to me that we tend to run straight ahead, pass to the flat or go downfield. With such big fullbacks and an offensive line that tends to let the defense through, one would think that a screen pass would be a reasonable neutralizer. I can just see one of our big backs getting past the onrush and catching the screen with a lot of green ahead.
It may be that Jalen can't lift it over the defensive line, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know.
What do the pros think?

My opinion is that we mostly just haven't needed it. I would expect to see it when we run up against some more elite defenses. Hopefully not the bubble screen however. Simple RB screen works nicely most the time against an over-attacking defense.

mlh · Oct 16, 2017

We're saving it for the NC game...along with passes to the TE.

TideEngineer08 · Oct 16, 2017

The ncaa declared that we are far too talented and so much better than the competition that we were not allowed to use it more than 5 times in a season.

AlexanderFan · Oct 16, 2017

When you run a submarine offense like ours and you torpedo defenses the way we are you can't really have screens on submarines, not practical.

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RT27 · Oct 16, 2017

I wondered what ever happened to the old shuttle pass, do not see that play anywhere much any more. No one seems to use it like they did in the 90's, guess defenses figured it out and killed it. May be something that could surprise teams again, things that make you say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

TUSCALOOSAHONOR · Oct 16, 2017

I'd think we would use that instead of getting Hurts hammered. There we're multiple times we could have used it against Arkansas. Even slipping a back out on an actual route would help. The middle of the field was wide open Sat.

TexasTideFan · Oct 16, 2017

Professor said:
What do the pros think?

I think it left with Kiffen.

TIDE-HSV · Oct 16, 2017

RT27 said:
I wondered what ever happened to the old shuttle pass, do not see that play anywhere much any more. No one seems to use it like they did in the 90's, guess defenses figured it out and killed it. May be something that could surprise teams again, things that make you say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I actually suggested that in the game thread...

gtowntide · Oct 16, 2017

If I remember correctly, we've run a middle screen a couple of times and got blown up each time. Maybe we'll get it right in future games. I agree it should work.

IMALOYAL1 · Oct 16, 2017

I think Daboll is still working with his talented players. Hopefully when we really need to change things up he comes thru.

rolltide_21 · Oct 17, 2017

It will appear when needed. Every thing we do is calculated. If it will exploit a D we will use it.

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VirginiaTide57 · Oct 17, 2017

It's out of sight, where it belongs!

TIDE-HSV · Oct 17, 2017

VirginiaTide57 said:
It's out of sight, where it belongs!

For now. We will need it vs. AU and UGA, IMO...

Padreruf · Oct 17, 2017

Or even a late dump off pass in the flat to an rb...Ingram, Richardson, Lacey, etc. used to get these all the time. Maybe the defenses are playing us for that...or we are running JH instead.

RedWave · Oct 17, 2017

I assumed with Bo being our second leading receiver, those were mostly coming from screens.

JTBama · Oct 17, 2017

The rb screen is very effective in certain scenarios , however I've never been a fan of the wr bubble screen

B1GTide · Oct 17, 2017

You need the screen pass against really aggressive defensive lines. With Jalen back there, very few d-lines are going to be that aggressive. The screen is totally ineffective if the d-line and LBs are not attacking up-field, and fear of Jalen breaking off a 50 yard run keeps defenses in check.

In essence, having Jalen back there acts in the same way as running RB screens - it takes away some of the aggression of the defensive front seven.

Auburn can achieve QB pressure without sending 5 or 6 players. So even there a RB screen doesn't work. You have to hit quick passes or run right at Auburn to have success. I expect Alabama to run right at them.

RT27 · Oct 17, 2017

The screen pass has been processed, as B1GTide said it is useful in certain situations. If they are not over rushing it is not that great a play to use. Like many plays they come and go and come back. As teams adjust and take it away, then as they forget about it, BAM you burn them with it. As long as we can run right at folks, run Jalen so well, why bother. As Coach Bryant once said way back in the day, only 3 things happen when you pass, and 2 are not good. Now that was when the wishbone was king hehe

What happened to the "screen"pass?

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