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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    Quote Originally Posted by oskie View Post
    RE: Tackling

    It's been a lament of mine for the last few years about the "new" way of tackling, ie, trying to strip the ball instead of taking them to the ground. I seem to notice it more with the DB's than others. I personally don't think the first person to engage the ball carrier should try to strip the ball - that should be secondary, after the carrier is "in the grasp" of the first person.

    One of the reasons I was so impressed with Anthony Averett, was his "text-book" tackling technique - or "old school" - depending on who you talk to

    We've all noticed, I'm sure, what Bamabuzzard mentioned, about a ball carrier "dragging" or "carrying" a defender for additional yardage. Sometimes a lot more than 5 or 6 yards. That seems to be happening with more and more frequency.

    Think I read somewhere a while back that we don't tackle in practice anymore - just wrap-up. I understand that is for safety reasons, but Saturday night's game caused me to wonder if that practice protocol is not affecting our tackling to some degree.

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    Well this is the first poor tackling game for Alabama , so I don't see your point.

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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    Quote Originally Posted by Con View Post
    I don't think we were trusting the new guys to do their job.
    that's part of it, but i watched some highlights and on a few of the miss state gains, our db's were just very lackluster once they engaged with the ball carrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    Well this is the first poor tackling game for Alabama , so I don't see your point.
    I see oskie's point and agree whole heatedly. Tackling...sticking/head across ball carrier, wrapping up and running thru is becomming a lost art. Arm tackling, or roll tackling is replacing it due to injury concerns. Throw in, tackling doesn't take place in most practices...fundamentals are lost during the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman4tide View Post
    I see oskie's point and agree whole heatedly. Tackling...sticking/head across ball carrier, wrapping up and running thru is becomming a lost art. Arm tackling, or roll tackling is replacing it due to injury concerns. Throw in, tackling doesn't take place in most practices...fundamentals are lost during the year.
    So Alabama has been losing their ability to tackle? LOLOLOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    So Alabama has been losing their ability to tackle? LOLOLOL
    I think when the adrenaline is pumping and there is no time for thought that repetitive practice of tackling will yield greater results. Don't practice until you get it right, practice until you cannot get it wrong.

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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    I understand the concerns but I also believe we're overreacting some. We had guys who were never expecting to be on the field, starting at this point. You can't tackle well when you're out of position. In addition, our DBs are beaten up. Add that this was the Saturday after LSU and you have a perfect trap game. The LSU fans were greatly worried that they might lose to the Hogs after being beaten up by us. They'll bounce back, I believe...
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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    Watching football for decades I see the lack of contact in practice hurting the game. Not just Bama but all teams. Basic fundementals of real blocking and realtackling have slowly been lost over the years. I know injuries are a concern, but how was it we were able to play hard in practice before and still make it to a game? I see so many tackles that make me want to scream, the shoulder hit, never even attempting to wrap a guy up. I do remember a few years back one team was killing our run, they were wrapping the feet together. I hated it to see us get shut down that day but man I had respect fr the team doing it. I know they did not shut us down but they slowed our BIG BRUISER runner, cause they proved, no matter how astrong or big, no one runs without their feet. They totally negated his size and strength advantage, they went low to the feet every time they could.

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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    Quote Originally Posted by RT27 View Post
    Watching football for decades I see the lack of contact in practice hurting the game. Not just Bama but all teams. Basic fundementals of real blocking and realtackling have slowly been lost over the years. I know injuries are a concern, but how was it we were able to play hard in practice before and still make it to a game? I see so many tackles that make me want to scream, the shoulder hit, never even attempting to wrap a guy up. I do remember a few years back one team was killing our run, they were wrapping the feet together. I hated it to see us get shut down that day but man I had respect fr the team doing it. I know they did not shut us down but they slowed our BIG BRUISER runner, cause they proved, no matter how astrong or big, no one runs without their feet. They totally negated his size and strength advantage, they went low to the feet every time they could.
    If you're going to try for shoestring tackles, you'd better not ever miss...
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    I recall several Miss St games following the LSU game where we seemed flat or drained a bit physically and emotionally. Throw in the young guys, and the mix makes for a long day. I think I heard CNS say some didn't blitz when they were supposed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    If you're going to try for shoestring tackles, you'd better not ever miss...
    Was not talking shoe strings but actually wrapping up the legs and just tackling low. For a long time most tackles seemed to be from the waist down. I was just saying it seems so many now seem to be looking to shoulder hit and not wrap artms around waist or leags and actually bringing the guy down with out the BIG SMASH HIT. Saw something on TV about this a yr or so ago, they said ESPN top 10 hits seemed to spark kids to want to make the BIG HIT not just a good form tackle. I feel that TV highlights and lack of contact in practice has hurt tackling form big time. Go back and watch old football film, it will surprise you how differently they tackled back then. In my opinion guys did not bounce loose as much, less arm tackling more form tackling.

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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    Quote Originally Posted by RT27 View Post
    Was not talking shoe strings but actually wrapping up the legs and just tackling low. For a long time most tackles seemed to be from the waist down. I was just saying it seems so many now seem to be looking to shoulder hit and not wrap artms around waist or leags and actually bringing the guy down with out the BIG SMASH HIT. Saw something on TV about this a yr or so ago, they said ESPN top 10 hits seemed to spark kids to want to make the BIG HIT not just a good form tackle. I feel that TV highlights and lack of contact in practice has hurt tackling form big time. Go back and watch old football film, it will surprise you how differently they tackled back then. In my opinion guys did not bounce loose as much, less arm tackling more form tackling.
    I think they were so tired (and uncertain) by the MSU game they were happy to get them down any way they could...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I understand the concerns but I also believe we're overreacting some. We had guys who were never expecting to be on the field, starting at this point. You can't tackle well when you're out of position. In addition, our DBs are beaten up. Add that this was the Saturday after LSU and you have a perfect trap game. The LSU fans were greatly worried that they might lose to the Hogs after being beaten up by us. They'll bounce back, I believe...
    ... agree - being out of position was definitely a factor. Understand the new guys being tentative, but I noticed a few "veterans" falling prey to the same malady - whatever it was.

    ... might be a combination of things, including the "judgment call" nature of the targeting penalty - and the potentially severe punishment of said penalty - that have the guys a little gun shy about " laying the wood".
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    Re: Tidbit on the MSU game - pressuring the QB

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I think they were so tired (and uncertain) by the MSU game they were happy to get them down any way they could...
    Oh I agree was just talking over all tackling in college all the time. This Miss ST game was a matter of us being injured tired and still getting over LSU game. Seems we always struggle a little after LSU game last few years, it is always so physical. I was speaking in genral in all college football, tackling just seems to have lost some of the basics in form tackling. Normally we are one of the best at tackling, especilly in open field one on one tackles. This defense is so beat up I am surprised we stopped them as well as we did. Any other defense would be dead at this point. Our depth has at least allowed us to compete.

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