News Article: After 37 years, rule of Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe appears to be over

AUDub · Nov 15, 2017

Army has Mugabe and his wife Grace in custody, but denies this is a military takeover
Zimbabwe's military controls the capital Harare and the state broadcaster and is holding President Robert Mugabe, 93, and his wife under house arrest. It appears that the world's oldest head of state has been deposed by a coup.

The military is at pains, however, to say it didn't stage a military takeover, instead starting a process to restore Zimbabwe's democracy.

After 37 years, the military seems to have brought an end to Mugabe's long reign in what the army's supporters praised as a "bloodless correction." South Africa and other neighbouring countries are sending in leaders to negotiate with Mugabe and the generals to encourage the transition.

Citizens in Zimbabwe's tidy capital, Harare, contributed to the feeling of a smooth change by carrying on with their daily lives, walking past the army's armoured personnel carriers to go to work and to shops.

Many who have never known any leader but Mugabe waited in long lines at banks to draw limited amounts of cash, a result of this once-prosperous country's plummeting economy.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/zimbabwe-military-control-mugabe-1.4402771

RammerJammer14 · Nov 15, 2017

Perhaps it will be Salisbury again?

Bodhisattva · Nov 15, 2017

I'm finishing up a book on the fall of Rhodesia and it's replacement by Soviet and Chinese backed insurgents. Mugabe is one of the most incompetent leaders in modern history. He took a prosperous nation and destroyed it. He's lived decades too long. May his last days be filled with suffering.

RammerJammer14 · Nov 15, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
I'm finishing up a book on the fall of Rhodesia and it's replacement by Soviet and Chinese back insurgents. Mugabe is one of the most incompetent leaders in modern history. He took a prosperous nation and destroyed it. He's lived decades too long. May his last days be filled with suffering.

I have recently read some books on the subject as well. It is fascinating how much propaganda was involved for anti-colonial reasons, and how the "west" largely ignored the communist backing of the rebels of Mugabe and Nkomo. I've got "Viscount Down" on kindle about the hunt for the "freedom fighters" who shot down 2 civilian airliners with strellas. I'd say its a bit self-promoting from the author but still pretty interesting. I've also read some on the Rhodesian counter-insurgency tactics that they pioneered based on their experience in Malaya.

Displaced Bama Fan · Nov 15, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
I'm finishing up a book on the fall of Rhodesia and it's replacement by Soviet and Chinese backed insurgents. Mugabe is one of the most incompetent leaders in modern history. He took a prosperous nation and destroyed it. He's lived decades too long. May his last days be filled with suffering.

Sadly, he's not alone. I know a country that has had 5 elected leaders in recent history and have nearly destroyed it too.

Bodhisattva · Nov 15, 2017

RammerJammer14 said:
I have recently read some books on the subject as well. It is fascinating how much propaganda was involved for anti-colonial reasons, and how the "west" largely ignored the communist backing of the rebels of Mugabe and Nkomo. I've got "Viscount Down" on kindle about the hunt for the "freedom fighters" who shot down 2 civilian airliners with strellas. I'd say its a bit self-promoting from the author but still pretty interesting. I've also read some on the Rhodesian counter-insurgency tactics that they pioneered based on their experience in Malaya.

I was stunned at the propaganda as well. The West, especially the Brits (Labour Party), assisted the Marxist rebels in slaughtering civilians. The "Viscount Down" episode is tragic and disgusting. The horrific murder of women and children who survived the crash.

The Rhodesian SAS was no joke - among the best in the world. The raid where 180 men attacked a camp of 10,000, inflicting 3500 dead and 3500 wounded at the cost of 1 SAS member and 1 pilot. Brutally effective.

Tidewater · Nov 15, 2017

Better purchase your Zimbabwean 100 Trillion Dollar notes while they last.

Displaced Bama Fan · Nov 15, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
I was stunned at the propaganda as well. The West, especially the Brits (Labour Party), assisted the Marxist rebels in slaughtering civilians. The "Viscount Down" episode is tragic and disgusting. The horrific murder of women and children who survived the crash.

The Rhodesian SAS was no joke - among the best in the world. The raid where 180 men attacked a camp of 10,000, inflicting 3500 dead and 3500 wounded at the cost of 1 SAS member and 1 pilot. Brutally effective.

Socialists helping socialists? Say it ain't so...that would never happen here would it?

Bodhisattva · Nov 15, 2017

Displaced Bama Fan said:
Socialists helping socialists? Say it ain't so...that would never happen here would it?

Only for the good of the people. Zimbabweans were so much better off in the decades of Marxist starvation and brutality.

Displaced Bama Fan · Nov 15, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
Only for the good of the people. Zimbabweans were so much better off in the decades of Marxist starvation and brutality.

So are the North Koreans & Venezuelans as were the Chinese & Russians. It seems to have worked out well for all of them.

AUDub · Nov 15, 2017

I just hope we get something better than Mugabe out of this. His wife, Grace, is every bit as crazy as he was. Knowing they've got her corralled too gives me a glimmer of hope.

92tide · Nov 15, 2017

AUDub said:
I just hope we get something better than Mugabe out of this. His wife, Grace, is every bit as crazy as he was. Knowing they've got her corralled too gives me a glimmer of hope.

we could replace her with another grace

Tidewater · Nov 15, 2017

AUDub said:
I just hope we get something better than Mugabe out of this. His wife, Grace, is every bit as crazy as he was. Knowing they've got her corralled too gives me a glimmer of hope.

Maybe. On the other hand, maybe batt-stuff crazy is so ingrained in the political culture in Zimbabwe that they will embrace a younger version of Mugabe.

RammerJammer14 · Nov 15, 2017

Tidewater said:
Maybe. On the other hand, maybe batt-stuff crazy is so ingrained in the political culture in Zimbabwe that they will embrace a younger version of Mugabe.

What made that place a successful country is gone now. Mugabe purged or ran off most of the people who knew how to run successful farms and businesses, and they aren't going back. Their country died in 1980. I imagine a benevolent cabal of senior officers will take over for the good of the people.

dvldog · Nov 15, 2017

37 years. He came to power about the same time as the Clinton's. All things must end.

RammerJammer14 · Nov 15, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
I was stunned at the propaganda as well. The West, especially the Brits (Labour Party), assisted the Marxist rebels in slaughtering civilians. The "Viscount Down" episode is tragic and disgusting. The horrific murder of women and children who survived the crash.

The Rhodesian SAS was no joke - among the best in the world. The raid where 180 men attacked a camp of 10,000, inflicting 3500 dead and 3500 wounded at the cost of 1 SAS member and 1 pilot. Brutally effective.

Interestingly I read where the military had a plan in place to run a snatch and grab of all the terrorist leaders on the eve of the election of Mugabe. The SAS and RLI were on standby all night, waiting for the word to take them out. The General went home, prayed about it, and decided to call it off so as to not prolong the war.

Displaced Bama Fan · Nov 15, 2017

dvldog said:
37 years. He came to power about the same time as the Clinton's. All things must end.

Yeah, but who has the larger body count?

Bodhisattva · Nov 16, 2017

RammerJammer14 said:
Interestingly I read where the military had a plan in place to run a snatch and grab of all the terrorist leaders on the eve of the election of Mugabe. The SAS and RLI were on standby all night, waiting for the word to take them out. The General went home, prayed about it, and decided to call it off so as to not prolong the war.

Yeah, a handful of Rhodesians and a few hundred RENAMO allies were on the verge of bringing the Marxist government in Mozambique to its knees, ending that government's sheltering of terrorists like Mugabe. Yet, the politicians snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. The Soviets, Chinese, Brits* and UN wanted to end colonialism at any cost. That cost was the ensuing slaughter of tens of thousands of Africans and the enforced misery of millions more by the Marxists. Yay, I guess. :eyeroll:

*The Brits apparently even assassinated a Rhodesian negotiator (constitutional law scholar) during talks in London to bring about a coalition government. (The Brits wanted total victory for Mugabe.) The Rhodesian couldn't be bullied or bribed, so he "fell out a window."

Tider@GW_Law · Nov 16, 2017

AUDub said:
I just hope we get something better than Mugabe out of this. His wife, Grace, is every bit as crazy as he was. Knowing they've got her corralled too gives me a glimmer of hope.

Hope you’re right. As of right now, I have it in the “be careful what you wish for” category.

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Bamaro · Nov 21, 2017

Reports are that he has resigned.
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/zimba...abe-resigns-amid-impeachment-hearing/13818898

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