UN official: Alabama's poverty & sewage crisis very uncommon in first world

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
Libertarians are just people knowingly or unknowingly talking up a reductive philosophy that merely abstracts away how the sausage is made for capital's mass genocide machine.

LOL! You have a very high derp per sentence ratio. Is that a God-given skill, or have you had to work on it?

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

Libertarianism is just another way to arrive at the ethnostate without needing to use Christianity as a go between.

92tide · Dec 13, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
TFNS wouldn't be TFNS if the usual suspects didn't mischaracterize libertarians and badly whiff on basic economic concepts.

libertarians tend to do that pretty well for themselves without much help

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

92tide said:
libertarians tend to do that pretty well for themselves without much help

Nah. Libertarianism tends to arise through an understanding of economics and the nature of government. Leftists/statists on the other hand ....

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

Libertarianism tends to arise through an enrollment in an intro to microeconomics class that they had to take to get their general business degree

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
Libertarianism tends to arise through an enrollment in an intro to microeconomics class that they had to take to get their general business degree

Well, I've taken dozens of graduate level economics courses, and all my MBA classes were economics-based. So, um, you dropped your broad brush here.

jthomas666 · Dec 13, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
TFNS wouldn't be TFNS if the usual suspects didn't mischaracterize libertarians and badly whiff on basic economic concepts.

or make sweeping generalities.

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

jthomas666 said:
or make sweeping generalities.

No, I accurately described the usual suspects.

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
Well, I've taken dozens of graduate level economics courses, and all my MBA classes were economics-based. So, um, you dropped your broad brush here.

Economics is soft science that masquerades as hard science because NUMBERS.

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
Economics is soft science that masquerades as hard science because NUMBERS.

Yep, math is overrated. Decisions based on feelings is much better.

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
Yep, math is overrated. Decisions based on feelings is much better.

The core assumptions of many economic theories are based on psychology as much as math.

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
The core assumptions of many economic theories are based on psychology as much as math.

Economic policy consistent with human nature would be nice.

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
Economic policy consistent with human nature would be nice.

It is funny because libertarianism is almost completely divorced from any sense of humanity.

crimsonaudio · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
It is funny because libertarianism is almost completely divorced from any sense of humanity.

I disagree, but I understand why you're saying what you're saying.

More than anything else your statement saddens because it seems most everyone now believes compassion and humanity come exclusively from the government rather than from their neighbors.

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

I feel like the disconnect is that Nixon, the civil rights movement, etc has soured people on the idea that the government is "the people" but instead an adversarial entity. There is nothing more possible of providing for helping your fellow man than the state when the people are empowered and engaged in their government. I don't think churches alone can do it. If the church had a solution for the sick and impoverished then I guess I missed it. I don't think businesses or individuals can do it. Not so long as businesses have fiduciary responsibility to their stakeholders can a business do things with purely the good of the people in mind. Individuals lack the capital to do so and the ones who have been shaping laws to horde capital have been doing it to squirrel away money for the ecological hellscape future for themselves not to help the public.

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
It is funny because libertarianism is almost completely divorced from any sense of humanity.

Considering that I'm a libertarian and likely one of the most charitable people you'd ever meet, you've got it wrong. Humanity is not having the government steal from one group and give to another. It's easy, lazy, and dishonest to be generous with someone else's money. Government programs are dehumanizing. They encourage dependency and complacency. They deprive people of their human potential.

rgw · Dec 13, 2017

Bodhisattva said:
Considering that I'm a libertarian and likely one of the most charitable people you'd ever meet, you've got it wrong. Humanity is not having the government steal from one group and give to another. It's easy, lazy, and dishonest to be generous with someone else's money. Government programs are dehumanizing. They encourage dependency and complacency. They deprive people of their human potential.

This is real flowery language that just allows you to abstract away the human meat grinder of unfettered capitalism so you can feel good about yourself.

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
I feel like the disconnect is that Nixon, the civil rights movement, etc has soured people on the idea that the government is "the people" but instead an adversarial entity. There is nothing more possible of providing for helping your fellow man than the state when the people are empowered and engaged in their government. I don't think churches alone can do it. If the church had a solution for the sick and impoverished then I guess I missed it. I don't think businesses or individuals can do it. Not so long as businesses have fiduciary responsibility to their stakeholders can a business do things with purely the good of the people in mind. Individuals lack the capital to do so and the ones who have been shaping laws to horde capital have been doing it to squirrel away money for the ecological hellscape future for themselves not to help the public.

We have many threads, including mega threads, discussing how terrible government actors and policies are. I don't recall one praising the results of a government action. Government has pumped trillions of dollars into the war on poverty and not much has changed. Perhaps your faith is misplaced.

Bodhisattva · Dec 13, 2017

rgw said:
This is real flowery language that just allows you to abstract away the human meat grinder of unfettered capitalism so you can feel good about yourself.

Your derp/sentence is increasing. Impressive.

Bamaro · Dec 13, 2017

IMO, trying to narrow down what a libertarian is is about as easy as narrowing down what a republican or democrat are. All three come in many 'shapes and sizes'. Many people do not comfortably fit completely in any of the three.

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