Refs in games so far have me worried

day-day · Dec 31, 2017

tattooguy21 said:
It WOUNDS me to think that you didn't already know I would gripe about this. Hurt even.

Sorry...I'm old, can't see and lazy.

GrayTide · Dec 31, 2017

CrimsonProf said:
This is rhetoric that ignores the reality that officials can put points and yards on the board and take them off.

Alabama lost its only NCAA tournament game under Anthony Grant while Trevor Releford was clearly fouled on a three point shot. By every right he should have been at the line with a chance to tie the game. The official's refusal to call a blatant foul is in part to blame for that loss, which in turn affected the trajectory of our program. This sort of garbage will not improve unless it is dealt with - behind the scenes, preferably, but dealt with all the same.

Since Oklahoma State didn't blow out Central Michigan, was it ok for the officials to miss a call that cost the Pokes the game? Is it classless to notice?

If winning with class means ignoring very bad officiating, well, take that class and stuff it.

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Well, Prof I don't plan on stuffing it, but will tell you that whatever your opinion is on bad officiating it has no impact on the outcome of a game. It is okay to voice your displeasure however.

B1GTide · Dec 31, 2017

GrayTide said:
You play a game as it is and, yes officials unfortunately are prone to make mistakes during the course of the game, that is football. We have all seen many horrible calls for and against us, but to blame the officiating after a loss makes you sound like an auburn fan. You win with class, you lose with class.

So people who disagree with you here have no class? I am confused abut what to take away from this post.

GrayTide · Dec 31, 2017

B1GTide said:
So people who disagree with you here have no class? I am confused abut what to take away from this post.

I think that the class reference is attributable to Coach Bryant. I certainly did not mean to imply those who disagree with me have no class.

B1GTide · Dec 31, 2017

GrayTide said:
I think that the class reference is attributable to Coach Bryant. I certainly did not mean to imply those who disagree with me have no class.

Thanks - I have never thought that Ohio State lost a game because of an official, but I know for a fact that other teams have lost games because of officials. Using it as an excuse for a loss is one thing, but recognizing the reality that it happens is also important. Players and coaches can't use it as an excuse because it keeps them from introspective analysis. Fans shouldn't because it is unhealthy. But it still happens, and it is not infrequent.

GrayTide · Dec 31, 2017

B1GTide said:
Thanks - I have never thought that Ohio State lost a game because of an official, but I know for a fact that other teams have lost games because of officials. Using it as an excuse for a loss is one thing, but recognizing the reality that it happens is also important. Players and coaches can't use it as an excuse because it keeps them from introspective analysis. Fans shouldn't because it is unhealthy. But it still happens, and it is not infrequent.

Absolutely, well said B1G.

Bazza · Dec 31, 2017

GrayTide said:
You play a game as it is and, yes officials unfortunately are prone to make mistakes during the course of the game, that is football. We have all seen many horrible calls for and against us, but to blame the officiating after a loss makes you sound like an auburn fan. You win with class, you lose with class.

Amen, Gray. There's a reason you never hear a coach whine about how a ref lost them the game. They are smart enough to know that every game is comprised of many different aspects and many plays...each of which has the potential to help or hurt the outcome. Blaming a loss on the officiating is just a very small-minded way of thinking....

RT27 · Dec 31, 2017

I feeel most times it is not used as excuse for losing but it does affect the game. I just wished they had a group of folks looking at bad calls on momday and if a ref is missing calls or getting to picky he should be talked to or fined or suspended or moved to lower games. At the top level some of the BS calls I have seen should not be missed by a decent ref in pee wee football. There is a lot on the line in these games, expecting professionals to be professional is not out of line. There i no way that a dfense that ranks tops all year and gets after teams can go an entire gam with not one holding call, impossible. I know some things get missed but when a team plays Bama and not one time gets flagged for holding, you have to know they are over looking stuff. How an entire season can go by and every opponent having their cleanest game all year aginst just us is BS perid end of story. Then add in defenses holding our WR's as penalty if it is called is not really a penalty, things need changing. When you can Tackle a WR and only give up a first down and 15 yards, instead of giving up a TD you are asking for it.

Time to punish teams for using rules as a play in the playbook. better to just slam him than let him burn you. better to give up 15 yards and penalty thn a TD. That putd WR in a no win situation. The game should not be decided by the rule book, simple as that. Time to bring back the interference call and placing the ball at the spot of the foul or 15 yards, which ever is worse. Tackling a guy 50 yardfs down field before ball arrives and giving up 15 yards, of course they will maul WR. Now place the ball where he maulwed him and they will stop it.

RTR91 · Dec 31, 2017

Bazza said:
Amen, Gray. There's a reason you never hear a coach whine about how a ref lost them the game. They are smart enough to know that every game is comprised of many different aspects and many plays...each of which has the potential to help or hurt the outcome. Blaming a loss on the officiating is just a very small-minded way of thinking....

Coaches rarely publicly say anything about officiating because they know they can't. The media typically crucifies them. Plus, they want the players to take responsibility.

Behind closed doors? They no doubt discuss it.

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CrimsonProf · Dec 31, 2017

GrayTide said:
Well, Prof I don't plan on stuffing it, but will tell you that whatever your opinion is on bad officiating it has no impact on the outcome of a game. It is okay to voice your displeasure however.

Thank you for the permission the voice my displeasure.

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CrimsonProf · Dec 31, 2017

RTR91 said:
Coaches rarely publicly say anything about officiating because they know they can't. The media typically crucifies them. Plus, they want the players to take responsibility.

Behind closed doors? They no doubt discuss it.

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This is correct and for all the garbage that the media complain about, it's really chicken on their part to not complain more about officiating.

I had a well-known local media figure give me some rigamarole about class and not complaining about officiating. He used the same line from Coach Bryant and he, too, was wrong.

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B1GTide · Dec 31, 2017

CrimsonProf said:
This is correct and for all the garbage that the media complain about, it's really chicken on their part to not complain more about officiating.

Nothing good can come from a coach complaining about officiating. They risk retribution on the field in future games, but (more importantly) they risk having the players lose focus on what they can control. But I agree that the media should be more vocal about it. That is really the only way it will change.

CrimsonProf · Dec 31, 2017

B1GTide said:
Nothing good can come from a coach complaining about officiating. They risk retribution on the field in future games, but (more importantly) they risk having the players lose focus on what they can control. But I agree that the media should be more vocal about it. That is really the only way it will change.

That's how we got the CFP - media complaints.

It's also what will kill the bowls - talk radio clowns have decided they're worthless and we'll find it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Bamagradandmom · Dec 31, 2017

B1GTide said:
Nothing good can come from a coach complaining about officiating. They risk retribution on the field in future games, but (more importantly) they risk having the players lose focus on what they can control. But I agree that the media should be more vocal about it. That is really the only way it will change.

I agree, there is no way they can go public with their complaints, for all the reasons you have and maybe it is just the NFL, but are there fines associated with publicly complaining?

And look at CMR last night, should have been ejected, you know Saban would be if he acted that way!

TIDE-HSV · Dec 31, 2017

RT27 said:
I feeel most times it is not used as excuse for losing but it does affect the game. I just wished they had a group of folks looking at bad calls on momday and if a ref is missing calls or getting to picky he should be talked to or fined or suspended or moved to lower games. At the top level some of the BS calls I have seen should not be missed by a decent ref in pee wee football. There is a lot on the line in these games, expecting professionals to be professional is not out of line. There i no way that a dfense that ranks tops all year and gets after teams can go an entire gam with not one holding call, impossible. I know some things get missed but when a team plays Bama and not one time gets flagged for holding, you have to know they are over looking stuff. How an entire season can go by and every opponent having their cleanest game all year aginst just us is BS perid end of story. Then add in defenses holding our WR's as penalty if it is called is not really a penalty, things need changing. When you can Tackle a WR and only give up a first down and 15 yards, instead of giving up a TD you are asking for it.

Time to punish teams for using rules as a play in the playbook. better to just slam him than let him burn you. better to give up 15 yards and penalty thn a TD. That putd WR in a no win situation. The game should not be decided by the rule book, simple as that. Time to bring back the interference call and placing the ball at the spot of the foul or 15 yards, which ever is worse. Tackling a guy 50 yardfs down field before ball arrives and giving up 15 yards, of course they will maul WR. Now place the ball where he maulwed him and they will stop it.

And it gets even more irritating when the DB just shrugs his shoulders when the flag is thrown and, by his posture, makes sure everyone knows he meant to do it...

TIDE-HSV · Dec 31, 2017

RTR91 said:
Coaches rarely publicly say anything about officiating because they know they can't. The media typically crucifies them. Plus, they want the players to take responsibility.

Behind closed doors? They no doubt discuss it.

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Not just the media. They get fined. IIRC, SOS got fined a couple of times and some others have also...

RTR91 · Dec 31, 2017

TIDE-HSV said:
Not just the media. They get fined. IIRC, SOS got fined a couple of times and some others have also...

Yep. Fines and reprimands also happen, depending on how bad the coach undresses the officiating.

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TideMom2Boys · Dec 31, 2017

SIAP, but looks like Pac-12 refs for our game.

Refs in games so far have me worried

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