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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    In the post game press conference Saban mentioned that Tua came straight to him, put his arm around him, and assured him that he would learn from that moment. I'm sure that level of maturity helped make that decision a lot easier.
    I saw the little conversation between Coach Saban and Tagovailoa during the game and it looked just as described. While there was mention of rotating the QB's during the second half, I think Coach Saban was looking for two things with Tagovailoa; one was if the offense opened up and two was to see how Tagovailoa looked once he started playing (basically body language).

    Tagovailoa still looked confident and under control after a couple of "not-so-good" series and I think Coach Saban saw that. A deer in the headlights look would probably have put Hurts back on the field.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Not sure where to post this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sahVQfFkU

    It is the ESPN coaches film room, broadcast live during the game, so it is long. If you are going to watch the game again, you should watch this at least once.

    The coaches reflections are very interesting, especially as we know the outcome. The stuff they know, and also the things they get wrong, is fascinating. None of them realized that Saban had committed to Tua for the whole second half, wondering when he was going to get pulled.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by bamakeeb View Post
    What do think the possibility is of both QBs sticking around? I think most fans are assuming that this Tuaís team and Jalen may transfer. But, based on reports, playing Tua in that situation may have been part of the game plan. He was rumored to get PT against Clemson. But Jalen and rushing attack was working. It obviously didnít against Georgia. I donít think Iíd want to see a two QB system. But, it wouldnít surprise me if we tried it. Saban would go with the hot hand.
    If Tua wins the job, I think it's better than 50/50 that Hurts stays with it. The backup plays a pretty good bit here in most years, but next year has a chance to play more than usual. Hurts would be a third-year junior having to transfer to another school with just one spring to compete for a job.

    If Jalen wins the job, I think Tua leaves.
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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by JessN View Post
    If Tua wins the job, I think it's better than 50/50 that Hurts stays with it. The backup plays a pretty good bit here in most years, but next year has a chance to play more than usual. Hurts would be a third-year junior having to transfer to another school with just one spring to compete for a job.
    If Jalen wins the job, I think Tua leaves.
    Jess, is there still a realistic chance that this could happen? If so, how would it play out?

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by DrollTide View Post
    Not sure where to post this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sahVQfFkU

    It is the ESPN coaches film room, broadcast live during the game, so it is long. If you are going to watch the game again, you should watch this at least once.

    The coaches reflections are very interesting, especially as we know the outcome. The stuff they know, and also the things they get wrong, is fascinating. None of them realized that Saban had committed to Tua for the whole second half, wondering when he was going to get pulled.
    Did Coach Saban commit to Tagovailoa for the whole 2nd half or did he stick with him based on the results? Tagovailoa said post-game that Coach Saban told him during the half that he would rotate or alternate (something to that effect) quarterbacks in the 2nd half.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonEyeshade View Post
    Jess, is there still a realistic chance that this could happen? If so, how would it play out?
    Absolutely a realistic chance. The best either of those guys are going to get heading into the spring is the promise that the job is 100 percent open and let the best man win it. There are plenty of what-ifs that aren't even in play yet. What if Brian Daboll goes back to the pros? NFL turnover might shake up the Patriots' staff and Daboll might go back up there as OC. If that happens and Alabama hired, say, someone with a Big 12 background who favors a less pure-vertical offense, that plays into Jalen's hands. There's also the issue of Saban not liking to declare winners of the QB job in the spring. He either makes the call in fall camp or he lets the QBs fight it out at the beginning of the following year. Let's say Jalen's a little ahead at the end of spring, or they're tied, and Saban says "we'll make the call in the fall," and Tua decides he doesn't want to take that risk. UCLA wants both the Tagovailoa brothers badly and what Tua did against Georgia is just going to make other schools more determined to make off-the-record contact with family members, etc.

    Point being if fans think Saban is going to come right out and say "Tua's our starter" at any point before the end of April, I think they're going to be disappointed.

    Now, if Daboll stays in place and Tua has the kind of spring in 2018 that he had in 2017, I think he'll win the job, assuming it's truly open. But it's hard to look Jalen's career record and ignore it. And I keep going back to this, but Jalen's last snap of the 2016-2017 season was him walking into an end zone against Clemson. What if the defense holds on to that game and Jalen had won two rings in two years? This might not be as easy as it looks.

    I think Jalen could have a role here as an H-back, receiver and running back even if he never took another snap at QB. And if you're Jalen, you've got to take honest stock of your potential to play the game at the next level. If you're not NFL material, you have a choice to either stay with your teammates as a role player, or transfer down and play as much as you can for two years before you move onto whatever career field you've chosen. If he's not NFL material here, I don't think he's going to develop into NFL material somewhere else. And that's where he has to make his choice, if he loses the starting job.

    Tua has a slightly different set of choices. He doesn't have ideal NFL size, but he has obvious arm talent, a head for quarterbacking and he's got moxie. He doesn't need Alabama to get him to the league, and more importantly, he doesn't need Jalen blocking him from displaying his talents. So yeah, I think if you have a competition and Hurts wins it -- especially if what is supposed to be open competition comes off looking as something less than open -- I think Tua is gone, sitting out the 2018 season.
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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by day-day View Post
    Did Coach Saban commit to Tagovailoa for the whole 2nd half or did he stick with him based on the results? Tagovailoa said post-game that Coach Saban told him during the half that he would rotate or alternate (something to that effect) quarterbacks in the 2nd half.
    They were told they were going to rotate, and then they didn't rotate. Do I think they ever intended to rotate them? No. I think the switch was permanent for that game and the only way Jalen would have gone back in is if Tua had fouled up 2-3 drives in a row out of the gate. Fortunately for him, he put a touchdown in between a three-and-out and that incredible interception. And by the time Georgia made it 20-7, I think Saban knew he just didn't have a choice but to ride it out with Tua.
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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Seems like this is a spot where Jalens father could play a big role. He should be able to offer Jalen sound advise based on how he has seen Jalen perform as a QB for Bama, what his real potential is re next level, etc. Hard to keep emotion out of it when its your son but he's a coach and has coached Jalen. I think a lot may depend on how the Dad views how Jalen was treated by the coaching staff. Did he get a fair shake? Did he get the coaching to develop potential etc? Going to be an interesting spring.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by JessN View Post
    They were told they were going to rotate, and then they didn't rotate. Do I think they ever intended to rotate them? No. I think the switch was permanent for that game and the only way Jalen would have gone back in is if Tua had fouled up 2-3 drives in a row out of the gate. Fortunately for him, he put a touchdown in between a three-and-out and that incredible interception. And by the time Georgia made it 20-7, I think Saban knew he just didn't have a choice but to ride it out with Tua.
    I thought maybe the plan wasn't really to rotate but Coach Saban used this term as a way to take a "little" pressure or distraction away from Tagovailoa.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Jalen would be wise to switch positions. Heís got enough fball IQ and strength and speed to play several positions. I have to assume he wants a professional career and that will never be as a QB. That is just a simple truth. I hope he stays because I feel he could really help this team in several areas.


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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Great read, thank you Jess.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Great read and this part "All together, this may have been Nick Sabanís best effort of his coaching career" and "Itís criminal how Nick Saban never seems to be considered for coach of the year honors, as the award has really morphed into the ďCoach of the Team that Exceeded Expectations the MostĒ award" is the part I most agree with.

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    Re: Georgia wrap-up: Sabanís courage to make a tough call nets him a sixth title

    Quote Originally Posted by DrollTide View Post
    Not sure where to post this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sahVQfFkU

    It is the ESPN coaches film room, broadcast live during the game, so it is long. If you are going to watch the game again, you should watch this at least once.

    The coaches reflections are very interesting, especially as we know the outcome. The stuff they know, and also the things they get wrong, is fascinating. None of them realized that Saban had committed to Tua for the whole second half, wondering when he was going to get pulled.
    It's been taken down from youtube due to Copyright infringement...
    "Original Quote By: Paul 'Bear' Bryant
    ďShow Class, Have Pride And Display Character. If You Do, Winning Takes Care Of Itself.Ē
    "Original Quote By: John F. Kennedy
    "Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate."

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