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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Taking those figures and doing an overall average (total sum of ranked position divided by 8 decades) they rank 15th all time. They're historically a top 15 program. I'll agree with that.
    IMO, that's not how you determine one's place. If you were to average Bama's decade rankings, they would be number 11, but we know that Bama is number 1. In fact, no one is close to number 1 by averaging rankings. E.g., ND and USC would both be number at 9. I'm not saying that your conclusion that they are 15 is wrong, though I strongly disagree with that opinion, but that the logic to get there is not valid. LSU has as many top 10 decade finishes that Bama, 4-4. Anyway there are numerous problems with averaging rankings. LSU is only 4 spots behind Bama by that method. LSU's one awful decade at 42 would significantly distort its historical performance.

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    The talent pool is so deep in Louisiana and its a one school state. LSU has been one of the few to match on field talent with our on field talent, they just haven't had the coaching to beat us. I look at some of the guys up here in North LA that are at Bama and thank my lucky stars that LSU can't figure out who to hire.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    IMO, that's not how you determine one's place. If you were to average Bama's decade rankings, they would be number 11, but we know that Bama is number 1. In fact, no one is close to number 1 by averaging rankings. E.g., ND and USC would both be number at 9. I'm not saying that your conclusion that they are 15 is wrong, though I strongly disagree with that opinion, but that the logic to get there is not valid. LSU has as many top 10 decade finishes that Bama, 4-4. Anyway there are numerous problems with averaging rankings. LSU is only 4 spots behind Bama by that method. LSU's one awful decade at 42 would significantly distort its historical performance.
    I'm taking an average of where LSU was ranked within the ranking system you are using to make your claim. So within the ranking system you are using they have an average ranking of #15.

    Unfortunately the #42 ranking is a part of their history. It is a part of who they are. If you're going to take the good and use it to come to your conclusion you have to use the bad as well. No matter how much of an outlier it was and no matter how bad it was. It was who they were for a decade. That's a long dang time and a real part of their history as a football program.

    I would also point out that those rankings and the value put into the individual criteria to come to said rankings is more than likely very subjective as well.
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    I suspect LSU will be fine, as I'm betting that a year from now their head coach will have the initials DA. And I think that's why he was retained for the amount he was - everyone who knows anything about CFB knows that Orgeron's days are numbered...
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    I can understand your view of LSU, since you refer to the 90s, but for us who have been around a few moments longer, LSU has been a big time program for a long time. They were probably Bama's greatest aid in gaining respect for the SEC in the 60s and 70s. And who can forget listening to the night games on WWL in the 60s and 70s ...
    Wow, memory lane. Not only those night games on 50,000 watt WWL but also the station’s broadcasts from the Blue Room (jazz club) at the Roosevelt Hotel. The hotel is still there and is branded Waldorf Astoria, but what they call the Blue Room is just another convention meeting space. To a kid in the woods north of Jasper, AL, listening to a radio in the dark, that broadcast was the most exotic thing I could imagine.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    And then we get this...

    Edge rusher Sci Martin transfers from LSU


    Martin is the fourth player to depart from the team, joining fullback Bry'Kiethon Mouton, tight end Caleb Roddy and defensive back Xavier Lewis.
    Recall LSU had double digit transfers last off season.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    I'm taking an average of where LSU was ranked within the ranking system you are using to make your claim. So within the ranking system you are using they have an average ranking of #15.

    Unfortunately the #42 ranking is a part of their history. It is a part of who they are. If you're going to take the good and use it to come to your conclusion you have to use the bad as well. No matter how much of an outlier it was and no matter how bad it was. It was who they were for a decade. That's a long dang time and a real part of their history as a football program.

    I would also point out that those rankings and the value put into the individual criteria to come to said rankings is more than likely very subjective as well.
    You don't think Bama is number 11 do you ? Or that there is no program above number 9. That's what you have by averaging the rankings. LSU finishes just 4 spots behind Bama. IMO, that is invalid, as would be many conclusions drawn from that method.

    I agree wholeheartedly that those rankings are subjective as are any other, including winning %. It's just a guess, which is why I said that your 15 ranking for LSU may be valid, but not from using that method.

    The 42 is part of their history, but it distorts any 'averaging' method (which is why throwing out the high and low is often used in such cases). A program would go 1, 3, 42, 1 and be judged worse than a program that went 12, 9, 11, 14.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I suspect LSU will be fine, as I'm betting that a year from now their head coach will have the initials DA. And I think that's why he was retained for the amount he was - everyone who knows anything about CFB knows that Orgeron's days are numbered...
    One of the beat writers from Baton Rouge called in to our local sports talk show and he said the "deep pocket donors" are embarrassed and feel like they were deceived. Supposedly they "signed off on" Orgeron because he was going to play a "CEO" role and hire top notch coordinators to run the offense and defense. Up to this point they've had to pay a DC head coaching money to get him to stay and just hired an OC no one's ever heard of. The Cajuns ain't happy and the beat writer said it wouldn't surprise him one bit if next season was it for Orgeron, even with a winning record. He would have to beat Bama and play in SECCG to save his job. That's how ticked off they are.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

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    One of the beat writers from Baton Rouge called in to our local sports talk show and he said the "deep pocket donors" are embarrassed and feel like they were deceived. Supposedly they "signed off" on Orgeron because he was going to play a "CEO" role and high top notch coordinators to run the offense and defense. Up to this point they've had to pay a DC head coaching money to get him to stay and just hired an OC no one's ever heard of. The Cajuns ain't happy and the beat writer said it wouldn't surprise him one bit if next season was it for Orgeron, even with a winning record. He would have to beat Bama and play in SECCG to save his job. That's how ticked off they are.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

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    One of the beat writers from Baton Rouge called in to our local sports talk show and he said the "deep pocket donors" are embarrassed and feel like they were deceived. Supposedly they "signed off" on Orgeron because he was going to play a "CEO" role and high top notch coordinators to run the offense and defense. Up to this point they've had to pay a DC head coaching money to get him to stay and just hired an OC no one's ever heard of. The Cajuns ain't happy and the beat writer said it wouldn't surprise him one bit if next season was it for Orgeron, even with a winning record. He would have to beat Bama and play in SECCG to save his job. That's how ticked off they are.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    I was trying to get a friend to bet that next year LSwho wouldn't be better than 7-5 next year. He said no way, I think if Ogle is still in 2019 they will have a losing record.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide7854 View Post
    I was trying to get a friend to bet that next year LSwho wouldn't be better than 7-5 next year. He said no way, I think if Ogle is still in 2019 they will have a losing record.
    They won't win more than 8 regular season games next season. And considering the coaching level of O, 8 regular season wins would be very good. Just not "good" for the LSU program.
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