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    This year's early departures make 33 over the last 6 years. So many questions to be asked about that program and their overall production in that time frame.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Ogre is taking them where he took Ole Miss. To the bottom of the barrel.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Just shows they get top talent. Need to use them while they are there.
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    Y'all remember Curly Hallman and Gerry DiNardo don't you? I know I do. Never considered LSU anything more than a doormat growing up. Although new forces will step in to take their place, I'm happy to see them going back.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
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    This year's early departures make 33 over the last 6 years. So many questions to be asked about that program and their overall production in that time frame.
    they can't wait to get out of there

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    The article seems to be saying that LSU is a victim of just bad luck in that so many of their underclassmen have left early over the last few years. I think it's glossing over what the real issue is there, and probably intentionally since identifying the issue isn't necessarily the intent of the article.

    I don't think LSU has had more talent than us over the last 5 years. Looking at some of the names of the LSU players that left early is puzzling. I just think the talent at LSU is much more willing to leave early for two reasons. Primarily, Alabama players are consistently playing for SEC and national titles and LSU players aren't, so what is the incentive to stay at LSU. Also, Alabama players are probably getting much more thorough and honest advice as to whether staying or leaving will improve their NFL prospects.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    The point I was trying to make earlier is that LSU had talent back in the 90s. No, not elite like they started having under Coach Saban, but the kind of talent that ought to have yielded 10 win seasons every so often back then, no losing seasons at all, and an SEC title or two along the way. But, their leadership (coaching) stunk. LSU has reverted to the mean. It's been a slow decline, but we're here now and you're about to see the results sink more rapidly to the cellar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Eye View Post
    The article seems to be saying that LSU is a victim of just bad luck in that so many of their underclassmen have left early over the last few years. I think it's glossing over what the real issue is there, and probably intentionally since identifying the issue isn't necessarily the intent of the article.

    I don't think LSU has had more talent than us over the last 5 years. Looking at some of the names of the LSU players that left early is puzzling. I just think the talent at LSU is much more willing to leave early for two reasons. Primarily, Alabama players are consistently playing for SEC and national titles and LSU players aren't, so what is the incentive to stay at LSU. Also, Alabama players are probably getting much more thorough and honest advice as to whether staying or leaving will improve their NFL prospects.
    That and the only person who understood how to manage an early-exodus group at LSU was Les Miles. But he couldn't figure it out fully. The only ones who I think understand how to do that are Nick Saban and Urban Meyer.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

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    Y'all remember Curly Hallman and Gerry DiNardo don't you? I know I do. Never considered LSU anything more than a doormat growing up. Although new forces will step in to take their place, I'm happy to see them going back.
    I can understand your view of LSU, since you refer to the 90s, but for us who have been around a few moments longer, LSU has been a big time program for a long time. They were probably Bama's greatest aid in gaining respect for the SEC in the 60s and 70s. And who can forget listening to the night games on WWL in the 60s and 70s when very few had them, Hap Glaudi, then Buddy D, the Cajun names and special games ? They helped give Bama a NC in '65 by beating undefeated, number 2 Ark in the Cotton, paving the way, along with UCLA's 14-12 win over num 1 Mich State in the Rose, for number 4 Bama to beat num 3 Neb the night in a glorious Orange Bowl. I consider them the number 2 program in SEC history, having passed UT in the 2000s.

    According to College Football Data Warehouse's rankings, here is their (and my) all time number 9 LSU's rankings through the decades.

    30s: 16
    40s: 8
    50s: 9
    60s: 6
    70s: 14
    80s: 24
    90s: 42
    00s: 3

    In 8 decades they had 7 top 25 finishes, 6 top 16, 4 top 10 - that's great consistency. They are second in the SEC to Bama in NCs with 3, 2nd in decades with an SEC title with 7, 2nd in major bowl victories, 2nd in major bowl appearances. Most of all, with all of their success, they have usually been a sweet big time win for Bama. It's hard to consider LSU a true blue blood, IMO there are only 7, maybe 8, but they are next in line. They are probably the most charismatic in a quirky, yet endearing way. Les Miles was the perfect fit.

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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    The lesson learned from LSU is that you don't get rid of your successful coach until you have a quality replacement ready. Ask Texas, ask Tennessee. You run off a coach that has had success, you need to have the right guy lined up. Georgia had the right guy lined up, but even they took a risk. You run off a guy who sustained success and won a championship though, you are asking for trouble.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Taking those figures and doing an overall average (total sum of ranked position divided by 8 decades) they rank 15th all time. They're historically a top 15 program. I'll agree with that.



    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    I can understand your view of LSU, since you refer to the 90s, but for us who have been around a few moments longer, LSU has been a big time program for a long time. They were probably Bama's greatest aid in gaining respect for the SEC in the 60s and 70s. And who can forget listening to the night games on WWL in the 60s and 70s when very few had them, Hap Glaudi, then Buddy D, the Cajun names and special games ? They helped give Bama a NC in '65 by beating undefeated, number 2 Ark in the Cotton, paving the way, along with UCLA's 14-12 win over num 1 Mich State in the Rose, for number 4 Bama to beat num 3 Neb the night in a glorious Orange Bowl. I consider them the number 2 program in SEC history, having passed UT in the 2000s.

    According to College Football Data Warehouse's rankings, here is their (and my) all time number 9 LSU's rankings through the decades.

    30s: 16
    40s: 8
    50s: 9
    60s: 6
    70s: 14
    80s: 24
    90s: 42
    00s: 3

    In 8 decades they had 7 top 25 finishes, 6 top 16, 4 top 10 - that's great consistency. They are second in the SEC to Bama in NCs with 3, 2nd in decades with an SEC title with 7, 2nd in major bowl victories, 2nd in major bowl appearances. Most of all, with all of their success, they have usually been a sweet big time win for Bama. It's hard to consider LSU a true blue blood, IMO there are only 7, maybe 8, but they are next in line. They are probably the most charismatic in a quirky, yet endearing way. Les Miles was the perfect fit.
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    Re: Deja vu on the Bayou: Early exits hit LSU hardest in college football

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Taking those figures and doing an overall average (total sum of ranked position divided by 8 decades) they rank 15th all time. They're historically a top 15 program. I'll agree with that.
    I don't disagree either. They had leadership back then with Paul Deitzel and Charlie McClendon. What they have today is more in line with Hallman and DiNardo, IMO, and that's why I expect them to look more like the 90s than the 50s and 70s.

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    I don't disagree either. They had leadership back then with Paul Deitzel and Charlie McClendon. What they have today is more in line with Hallman and DiNardo, IMO, and that's why I expect them to look more like the 90s than the 50s and 70s.
    Yeah, with the moves they're making they are laying a foundation to relive the Denardo days for sure. They keep making stupid moves and they'll revisit the Hallman days.
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