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Re: Bama Coordinator Seach Thread

DocCrimson said:
I'm all for it as long as we only throw screens when we line up with trips to the right.
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Maybe we could install that play where the QB bats a high snap up over his head, catches it, and hurls it blindly downfield, where the ball bounces off a receiver's hands and lands in the arms of an other receiver streaking toward the end zone. That play worked pretty well.
 
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CharminTide said:
While Long was the most intriguing name to me, Saban has literally forgotten more about what makes a good OC than I will ever know. That trophy he just carried home and set beside the four others inclines me to give the man some benefit of the doubt. So let's all just calm down and trust the process.
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Five others... but I don't care much for the first. :)
 
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I think there was a rumor that Joey Fishwater wanted Cornwall over Coker in the Ole Miss game a couple years ago. Cornwall got the start and a few interceptions later Coker came on the field and almost led the team to a win and did go on to lead the team to a National title.

I don’t know if it comes down to siding with Fatboy Daboll or CNS then I am with coach on this one ... not because he is perfect or above criticism but because he is usually right.
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I don’t rember Cornwall ever starting. I don’t think he ever took a snap. Bateman started the Ole Miss game in 2015.
 
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I don't want to come across as "anti Locksley" because I am glad he is an assistant with the Tide. He can recruit, and knows the DMV which has provided some major contributors to Bama the past couple of years, including the only 5 star so far for this class, the DE from nearby Bmore. Jon Allen, Hand, Terrel Lewis , Cyrus Jones, etc are from here. BUt the folks who are saying we should simply ignore his entire track record at Illinois, Md and New Mexico really surprise me. Our past OC's had pretty good resumes with good offenses, when they arrived at Bama. As I've stated before, it doesn't take much to impress the football fans at the U of Md ( just a few miles away from me). Every season ticket holder I knew was glad Locks didn't get the Head Coach job , permanently, when Edsal was fired. They all wanted to keep Locks in an assistant role, due to his recruiting, but none wanted him to stay as OC. I confess these folks watched him much more closely than I did at the U of Md, but it was unanimous that he was not a good OC.

Now...its very possible that any half decent OC can get us back to the Playoffs and further, perhaps Locks has learned some things at Bama. Even more possible, Coach Saban knows vastly more than I. But he would not be my first choice.
 
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derek4tide said:
It is sanctimonious and judgmental. How many here personally know Freeze and what is in his heart? Zero. However, Coach Saban does know him personally and is friends with him. So I guess you better discuss character with him. smh
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So I have mixed feelings on these "Who knows what's in his heart?" posts. I have no idea what he believes, I only know that he used a government phone to call multiple escorts. I personally think those escort services may have been related to recruiting, but I have no proof of that. I don't even know if he used the escort services for additional film study review. I certainly don't know if his "godliness" act was intended as fraud, as fear, as self-loathing, or obliviousness. But no matter what he thinks he believes, he was regularly calling escorts and headed up a program that nearly got the death penalty. He may be a heck of an offensive play-caller, a recruiter, and even a preacher when people don't know what he's peddling behind the curtain - but right now, I'm not sure I want him on MY team. I am definitely not saying he should be the saint he seemed to imply he was prior to his "fall." I do know that a lot of people on here saying he's a good potential hire were complaining about how dirty his program was when he was with the bad guys. Of course, in that way, yes, I am being sanctimonious.

I do not want him as my OC, but if he is, I will keep my fingers crossed that he keeps his everything crossed and doesn't taint our program. I might even be impressed with his playcalling or the kids that decide to join our team with him as the primary recruiter. As an analyst, I don't have to worry about the recruiting piece, and that makes me feel much less anxious.
 
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westide said:
Many speak of freeze's character, but what about our character? I believe being compassionate and willing to forgive are not only good character traits, but essential traits for a Christian. It is easy to talk about it, but much harder to actually demonstrate. Sure, there should be negative consequences for bad behavior. I would have to believe that Freeze has already paid a hefty price fro his actions. He has publicly acknowledged his inappropriate behavior and has asked God, his family, and the Ole Miss community for forgiveness. My reasoning is that Saban would first offer a position as an analyst. I can understand those that want time for Freeze to earn their trust. Saban knows Freeze a lot better than us and if he trusted Freeze as the OC I would not have a problem with that decision. Saban has said his job is to help shape the character of the young men who come to play at Alabama. He has demonstrated more compassion and willingness to forgive than many self-righteous people. If CNS hires Freeze he will certainly take heat from fans, the media, and many others. I believe he has the character and courage to do what he feels is right.
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I'll try to avoid getting sent to non-sports. If I commit a crime, no matter how repentant I may feel (and that is all it is, a feeling of contrition), I can't expect the judge to just say... well, you want to play for the good guys now, I think I should commute your sentence.
 
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tideindc said:
I don't want to come across as "anti Locksley" because I am glad he is an assistant with the Tide. He can recruit, and knows the DMV which has provided some major contributors to Bama the past couple of years, including the only 5 star so far for this class, the DE from nearby Bmore. Jon Allen, Hand, Terrel Lewis , Cyrus Jones, etc are from here. BUt the folks who are saying we should simply ignore his entire track record at Illinois, Md and New Mexico really surprise me. Our past OC's had pretty good resumes with good offenses, when they arrived at Bama. As I've stated before, it doesn't take much to impress the football fans at the U of Md ( just a few miles away from me). Every season ticket holder I knew was glad Locks didn't get the Head Coach job , permanently, when Edsal was fired. They all wanted to keep Locks in an assistant role, due to his recruiting, but none wanted him to stay as OC. I confess these folks watched him much more closely than I did at the U of Md, but it was unanimous that he was not a good OC.

Now...its very possible that any half decent OC can get us back to the Playoffs and further, perhaps Locks has learned some things at Bama. Even more possible, Coach Saban knows vastly more than I. But he would not be my first choice.
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Thanks for your perspective as someone that has followed him more closely than most.
 
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The issue with Freeze isn't "what's in his heart." The issue is how soon do you welcome a guy back to the profession after a serious ethical lapse. That's the concern for the lessons learned by players; that you could have a major screwup and less than nine months later, you're back in the limelight.

For my own part, the guy should be allowed to coach, but I'm a little uncomfortable with him walking into a high profile job at the Capstone.


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Really like how Freeze runs offense, but also concerned about the way he recruits and the stench he left at Ole Miss. The escort stuff ain't wonderful, but I am less judgemental regarding that, as he has lost his position and will doubtful be so stupid again. Really wouldn't want him stretching the recruiting rules and getting our program in trouble with the NCAA. Not an easy situation..you'd think Bama would have sharp young OC's lining up for the job. Looks like each of our candidates have some holes in their resumes.
 
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RedWave said:
Walter Lewis, Vince Sutton, and Andrew Zow say hello.
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IMHO (let's be honest, it's just IMO, not so humble) Zow should have been the starter a lot more games than he was. I was enrolled at UA during the era and had a lot of strong feelings about that particular QB battle... but lest I short-hop another throw, I'll step away.
 
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DocCrimson said:
I'll try to avoid getting sent to non-sports. If I commit a crime, no matter how repentant I may feel (and that is all it is, a feeling of contrition), I can't expect the judge to just say... well, you want to play for the good guys now, I think I should commute your sentence.
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I wasn't aware that Freeze has been charged with a criminal offense. I think CNS is a very good judge of people. I will trust that he will make the right decision.
 
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westide said:
I wasn't aware that Freeze has been charged with a criminal offense. I think CNS is a very good judge of people. I will trust that he will make the right decision.
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Hiring prostitutes is not legal in most of the states in which this occurred. But you're diving into semantics on a conceptual point - the "Crime" in my opinion is the program he ran at OM... But if it's in his heart to not cheat in recruiting in the future, then I guess I should just pretend it never happened.
 
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DocCrimson said:
So I have mixed feelings on these "Who knows what's in his heart?" posts. I have no idea what he believes, I only know that he used a government phone to call multiple escorts. I personally think those escort services may have been related to recruiting, but I have no proof of that. I don't even know if he used the escort services for additional film study review. I certainly don't know if his "godliness" act was intended as fraud, as fear, as self-loathing, or obliviousness. But no matter what he thinks he believes, he was regularly calling escorts and headed up a program that nearly got the death penalty. He may be a heck of an offensive play-caller, a recruiter, and even a preacher when people don't know what he's peddling behind the curtain - but right now, I'm not sure I want him on MY team. I am definitely not saying he should be the saint he seemed to imply he was prior to his "fall." I do know that a lot of people on here saying he's a good potential hire were complaining about how dirty his program was when he was with the bad guys. Of course, in that way, yes, I am being sanctimonious.

I do not want him as my OC, but if he is, I will keep my fingers crossed that he keeps his everything crossed and doesn't taint our program. I might even be impressed with his playcalling or the kids that decide to join our team with him as the primary recruiter. As an analyst, I don't have to worry about the recruiting piece, and that makes me feel much less anxious.
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Daboll's record as play caller was horrendous. That doesn't mean Locksley will be great just because he's here, but it doesn't mean he will be bad either. McElwain had a few seasons at a Div II team and 1 year at Fresno St. Nussmeier had only 3 years as an Washington's OC (but he wasn't the play caller at Washington, Sark was) and he had 1 year at Fresno St.

It could be argued that besides Kiffin, Locksley is the most experienced play caller Saban has hired. It could also be argued that the couple of the good years he had at Illinois with good talent was as impressive as any prior OC Saban has hired, besides Kiffin of course.

I may be totally wrong, but I feel like he'll do very well with who he has to work with.
 
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DocCrimson said:
IMHO (let's be honest, it's just IMO, not so humble) Zow should have been the starter a lot more games than he was. I was enrolled at UA during the era and had a lot of strong feelings about that particular QB battle... but lest I short-hop another throw, I'll step away.
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So did I. I had become friends with his HS guidance counselor, so I got to hear it from his side. He couldn't really control his high-velocity throws after he tore his rotator cuff. Nevertheless, Dubose hated him so much, he feared that he'd never play again if he admitted what was wrong. I detested Dubose for many reasons, but this one was right up there...
 
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