Government shutdown tonight?

uafanataum

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Nope. Republican. You don't get to pass the buck on this one.
Some Democrats are refusing to pass the bill because of DACA which has nothing to do with spending. Sometimes it is only republicans fault but this time it is both parties.
 

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Historian Shearer Davis Bowman wrote, "The stability and health of representative, democratic government depends on effective political compromise. 'It is their willingness to compromise that makes politicians so indispensable and so untrustworthy,' historian James Oakes explains."

When it comes to budgeting, I would support a constitutional amendment to the effect that "if a Congress fails to adopt a budget before the start of the fiscal year, then every member of Congress shall be ejected from office as if they had died, and forever forbidden from ever holding any office at the federal level for the rest of their natural lives." We could call it the "civil death amendment." I'd wager that would fix this particular problem.
I wonder if Warren Buffett lifted that from him?
 

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Some Democrats are refusing to pass the bill because of DACA which has nothing to do with spending. Sometimes it is only republicans fault but this time it is both parties.
There was a bipartisan bill that would have prevented the shutdown. GOP leadership refused to allow a vote on it. This is on Republicans, full stop.
 

uafanataum

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There was a bipartisan bill that would have prevented the shutdown. GOP leadership refused to allow a vote on it. This is on Republicans, full stop.
If eitger party dislikes a bill so much that they refuse to vote on it then it's not bipartisan. Now maybe the bill was a good piece of legislation ( when was the last time that happened) but if democrats are allowed to say it must have this list in the bill for us to vote on it, then they should not get mad when republicans do the same thing. Ofcourse at some point one of the parties will have to stop being petty and give the other what they want, but right now that is not happening.
 

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If eitger party dislikes a bill so much that they refuse to vote on it then it's not bipartisan.
That's simply incorrect. The DACA bill had the support of all Democrats, almost 10 GOP Senators, and may have ultimately had a veto-proof majority if a vote had been allowed. But McConnell has the authority to decide what makes it to the floor, and he refused to allow it.
 

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As someone who is no more a "fan" of democrats than I am republicans, please tell me how this falls on the democrats when republicans control both houses and the White House. IOW, republicans don't need a single democrat vote to pass legislation and still can't - or won't - get it done.
 

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As someone who is no more a "fan" of democrats than I am republicans, please tell me how this falls on the democrats when republicans control both houses and the White House. IOW, republicans don't need a single democrat vote to pass legislation and still can't - or won't - get it done.
If it was simply voting to pass the budget, it would pass.

Both sides are trying to get "other stuff" into the bill.

Each side doesn't want to give in.

America is being held hostage by a bunch of children.
 

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That's simply incorrect. The DACA bill had the support of all Democrats, almost 10 GOP Senators, and may have ultimately had a veto-proof majority if a vote had been allowed. But McConnell has the authority to decide what makes it to the floor, and he refused to allow it.

McConnell is a doofus, IMHO. A shining example of why we need to drain the swamp.
 

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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
As someone who is no more a "fan" of democrats than I am republicans, please tell me how this falls on the democrats when republicans control both houses and the White House. IOW, republicans don't need a single democrat vote to pass legislation and still can't - or won't - get it done.
They need 60 to end debate, then 50 to pass it next. Of course, the Rs can't even get to 50 on their own.
 

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