Government shutdown tonight?

81usaf92 said:

Standing their ground for DACA while preventing military pay is going to be put on them whether they like it or not because 51 is still not 60. DACAcrats trying to play the patriotic angle is just as stupid as the tea cuppers playing it with Obamacare.

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81usaf92 said:

Standing their ground for DACA while preventing military pay is going to be put on them whether they like it or not because 51 is still not 60. DACAcrats trying to play the patriotic angle is just as stupid as the tea cuppers playing it with Obamacare.

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bama_wayne1 said:

#schumershutdown

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81usaf92 said:

Standing their ground for DACA while preventing military pay is going to be put on them whether they like it or not because 51 is still not 60. DACAcrats trying to play the patriotic angle is just as stupid as the tea cuppers playing it with Obamacare.

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Sen. Doug Jones is co-sponsoring a measure to continue paying military service members during the federal government shutdown that started Friday at midnight.

The measure was introduced by Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) shortly after members of the U.S. Senate failed to reach an agreement to keep the government running before the Friday deadline. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell objected to the motion, according to the Washington Post.

According to the Post, a Pentagon planning memo stated that uniformed active duty military members are expected to continue performing their duties, but will not get paid until the shutdown ends.

"Around the world and here at home, our military and their families continue to serve during this shutdown," Jones said in a statement. "Senator McConnell pledged that we would vote on a measure to guarantee that they will continue to get paid, but two days later he still hasn't kept his promise to hold a vote. I co-sponsored this measure immediately after the shutdown took effect early Saturday morning because our troops don't deserve to become a pawn in this political game. I am calling on the Majority Leader to bring this bill to an immediate vote in the Senate so we can provide certainty to those brave men and women who continue to sacrifice on our behalf."

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bama_wayne1 said:

#schumershutdown

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CajunCrimson said:

The party of reducing the military and closing bases is genuinely interested in keeping the military money flowing to the troops out of the goodness in their hearts. Lol.....ok!

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MattinBama said:

Hey, you found your way out of your safe space. I thought you got lost in there. Welcome back.

Who said anything about goodness of their hearts? The fact is they introduced the bill and McConnell wouldn't let it go up for a vote. Shumer then said that if the problem is that a Dem authored it then have a Republican do it and we'll applaud it and pass it. Still nothing.

So the flip side of your statement is that the party that is all patriotism, ra-ra troops, expand the military, would rather cut their noses off to spite their face than pay the troops. So you're mad at the party that "hates the troops" but wants to keep them paid in this situation but supporting the party that "loves the troops" and doesn't. Makes perfect sense for the Mental Gymnastic Gold Medalists around here.

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CajunCrimson said:

The party of reducing the military and closing bases is genuinely interested in keeping the military money flowing to the troops out of the goodness in their hearts. Lol.....ok!

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https://twitter.com/abc/status/954885116085579777

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MattinBama said:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/sen_doug_jones_backing_effort.html

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81usaf92 said:

Here is the problem with that measure. It ONLY funds the military.

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81usaf92 said:

Here is the problem with that measure. It ONLY funds the military. It doesnt fund VA nurses, VA workers, national parks, or any other government services affected. Who gets paid has to be all or none, and no DACAcrat is going to go for the all because it takes away leverage. Again Democrats are looking just as stupid as the Republicans as the minutes tick by, and are in real danger in a mid term election that had their names all over it.

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The long term

All that said, and even if there is quick shutdown effect in the polls, the midterm elections are not until November. With Trump in the White House, it’s difficult for any story to stay at the top of the news cycle for more than a few days. With that in mind, it’s easy to see one side picking up political support in the immediate aftermath of the shutdown, only for that bump to fade with time.


Indeed, prior shutdowns haven’t had long-term electoral implications. Republicans recovered on the generic ballot by February 1996, just a month after the final shutdown of that period ended. And in the elections later that year, they held onto their majorities in both the House and Senate. Clinton, meanwhile, recovered his lost support by March 1996. He would go on to easily win reelection later in 1996.


Basically, America put the same people who shut the government down back in office.


The 2013 shutdown tells the same story. Despite losing the blame game, Republicans jumped to a lead on the generic ballot by late November 2013 — their first of the year. In the 2014 midterms, they expanded their majority in the House and won back the Senate. Meanwhile, Obama continued a long-term decline in his approval ratings in the months following the 2013 shutdown, but recovered to his pre-shutdown approval level by April 2014.

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AUDub said:

Eh, I wouldn't read too much into that. Government shutdowns haven't really affected election results historically. It will likely get rectified then forgotten just like the last one.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ffect-big-in-the-short-term-small-after-that/

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CharminTide said:

So you support McConnell's decision to not ensure military pay during the shutdown? How interesting.

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Jon said:

they don't care who it hurts as long as it hurts the left too or more. It's the GOP entire philosophy at this point. why is anyone surprised?

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Jon said:

they don't care who it hurts as long as it hurts the left too or more. It's the GOP entire philosophy at this point. why is anyone surprised?

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81usaf92 said:

Again Democrats are looking just as stupid as the Republicans as the minutes tick by, and are in real danger in a mid term election that had their names all over it.

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