Link: Reuben in trouble again... (DV Charges Dropped) (UPDATE: Suspended 2 Games)

B1GTide said:

Wrong - this would encourage the rich to behave as they wish. That is not better than our current system.

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JustNeedMe81 said:

Funny thing.. is not the first time 49ers player's g/f recanted the story.... take it for what it worth....

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RTR91 said:

If this is indeed true, how bad does the police look in this? At no point, the video wasn’t mentioned by someone during the investigation? No one said anything about the other fight?

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230kv_barehand said:

No, she is a liar period. She either lied about the attack, or she lied it being in a fight with another woman. Either way she lied, doesn't matter if it's to protect him or not. A lie is a lie period. She has lost all credibility at this point no matter what story she goes with. She has even admitted to lying through her attorney, what more do you need? Lol

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B1GTide said:

Okay, they you are a liar. Period. And so am I. Period. And so is everyone else. Period. So calling someone a liar like this makes the use of the word meaningless. You might as well say that we are human. Because all humans are liars.

We are all liars and none of us have any credibility?

ETA - I am not trying to be offensive. I am just pointing out that the use of a word too broadly can make it meaningless. We don't tend to call people liars unless they have stepped beyond some line which most of us would not cross.

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CrimSonami said:

Telling a lie and being a liar is different IMO. I've told lies. Many times for good and bad reasons but I don't consider myself a liar.

I know people who are liars. They'll lie habitually. Mostly to either bill themselves as something they're not and/or to degrade others. I don't like it. I've called some on it. Doesn't usually end well but sometimes I can't let it roll off my back especially when it involves a family member or true friend.

I don't know the woman. I have no idea what she is. But I do know if Reuben abused her, for whatever reason, he should be punished regardless of his football skills or financial status.

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drwho said:

The police are following up on the investigation of the evidence they had. She doesn't mention when she told investigators about the video. We do know it wasn't the night of the initial report.

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Bamabuzzard said:

If we are seemingly wanting to deal in the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it. All it takes is someone not telling the truth (even a "little white lie") or any version that isn't EXACTLY the truth, one time, for them to be a liar. Tell a little white lie when you're 20 years old? You're a liar 30 years later even if that's the only time you do it. We have to be very careful with the letter of the law mentality.

And for the record, because I've seen one or two posters alluding to this. Simply because this young lady potentially lied, doesn't mean Reuben didn't hit her. It's almost like "we're" viewing this as "If she lied it means Reuben didn't hit her." That's not necessarily true.

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selmaborntidefan said:

Gee, how does a seminary grad jump into this one without sounding like he's preaching or talking religion?

I know what I'll do.....



The word "liar" gets thrown around with great fervor mostly as an attempt to discredit someone else. All of us - at some point - have lied.
Here's my problem with how that gets thrown around: there is an assumption inherent in affixing the label "liar" to someone that the
person is discredited on every subject. That is absolutely absurd. And yet we act like it's a moment of great import.

The idea that if a person EVER lied about anything that they cannot be believed to be telling the truth about ANYTHING is preposterous on
its face. Why do we lie? Well, because ALL of us have done things of which we are not proud. We often lie by omission or silence.

But "CSI" (while an exaggeration of reality) makes a valid point that Grissom makes over and over: "People lie, I follow the evidence." In
some cases, there isn't any evidence and sometimes there's a mountain of it. Johnnie Cochran got away with planting the idea in the jury's
mind that since Fuhrman lied about using a particular word, the Bible tells us he's never to be trusted again. A competent prosecutor would
have strung up OJ Simpson with all the contradictory things he'd said as an alibi and then hung Cochran's quote around the defense team's
necks, but I digress.

If we're going under the assumption of "once a liar can never be trusted" then it's time to shut down Tidefans and head to confession.

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selmaborntidefan said:

Gee, how does a seminary grad jump into this one without sounding like he's preaching or talking religion?

I know what I'll do.....



The word "liar" gets thrown around with great fervor mostly as an attempt to discredit someone else. All of us - at some point - have lied.
Here's my problem with how that gets thrown around: there is an assumption inherent in affixing the label "liar" to someone that the
person is discredited on every subject. That is absolutely absurd. And yet we act like it's a moment of great import.

The idea that if a person EVER lied about anything that they cannot be believed to be telling the truth about ANYTHING is preposterous on
its face. Why do we lie? Well, because ALL of us have done things of which we are not proud. We often lie by omission or silence.

But "CSI" (while an exaggeration of reality) makes a valid point that Grissom makes over and over: "People lie, I follow the evidence." In
some cases, there isn't any evidence and sometimes there's a mountain of it. Johnnie Cochran got away with planting the idea in the jury's
mind that since Fuhrman lied about using a particular word, the Bible tells us he's never to be trusted again. A competent prosecutor would
have strung up OJ Simpson with all the contradictory things he'd said as an alibi and then hung Cochran's quote around the defense team's
necks, but I digress.

If we're going under the assumption of "once a liar can never be trusted" then it's time to shut down Tidefans and head to confession.

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BamaInBham said:

Could you cite where in the Bible your bolded statement is stated or implied? There were a number of faithful believers who lied, e.g., Abraham, Sarah, Jacob, David, Peter, etc. They are certainly not branded as liars in the Bible or never to be trusted again. Each one I just named were trusted after their lie by the Lord Himself. Sarah lied to the Lord's face. The Bible is full of individuals who sinned in one way or another, including lying, adultery, murder, repented, then were used or "trusted" by the Lord later.

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TideWatcher said:

I think he means Cochran used ignorance of the Bible to convey that idea.

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bamamick said:

Without going into any detail I have been accused of sexual harassment in the workplace, by one woman, along with all of the other guys supervising shifts where I work. As a son, husband, and a father of three daughters I understand completely the need to protect an individual's right to a safe, respectful workplace, and as far as I know that's what we've got. When this accusation was made I got very, very angry at being falsely accused but the company's attitude was for us all to just be calm and see what happened. No lawsuit was ever filed and it did die down, but man, you are talking about my reputation here, in a place where I have spent my entire adult life.

I do not know what this woman expected to gain by doing this, but I truly wish we had been allowed to confront her face to face, and that the company would have fired her for lying. In the case of Rueben Foster, if this woman lied then his reputation and his ability to earn a living have been damaged, and as someone said above, this WILL cost him money even if he is completely innocent, there needs to be some sort of consequences. It is too easy in this country for someone to tear down another's reputation. It needs to not be this easy.

rtr

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