(2018 thread) Active Shooter - Stoneman Douglas High School (near Coral Springs, FL)

TIDE-HSV · Feb 16, 2018

UAH said:
I agree with you. I also agree that the extreme violence of video games and all sorts of media distorts reality to some who may be more vulnerable socially. Our society is coming apart and many retiring baby boomers find it difficult to envision a future for their children and grandchildren and in turn they often find it difficult to envision a future for themselves.

I live in the relatively affluent Huntsville area and I see many young couples having multiple children. Yet I find it difficult with my experience to understand how they could justify bringing children into such an uncertain, dangerous environment

This does point to a very wide chasm between the educated affluent and the poor in our society where life is often totally dangerously chaotic. This is another obvious factor involved in the violence.

I know this isn't the cartoon thread, but:

RTR91 · Feb 16, 2018

https://twitter.com/abc/status/964553079789113345

Displaced Bama Fan · Feb 16, 2018

RTR91 said:
https://twitter.com/abc/status/964553079789113345

Awesome.

Bazza · Feb 16, 2018

BamaFlum · Feb 16, 2018

Bazza said:

So what has changed? Guns were much more prevalent years before. I remember seeing shotguns and rifles in pickups on campus as well. More laws are just a bandaid on a skin cancer. Until we remove the real reason, nothing will change.

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TIDE-HSV · Feb 16, 2018

BamaFlum said:
So what has changed? Guns were much more prevalent years before. I remember seeing shotguns and rifles in pickups on campus as well. More laws are just a bandaid on a skin cancer. Until we remove the real reason, nothing will change.

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As I've said in the other thread, the major difference is that long guns, particularly shotguns, were common then. Handguns, not so much...

RTR91 · Feb 16, 2018

RTR91 said:
https://twitter.com/abc/status/964553079789113345

So far Rubio has called for a Congressional investigation into this, Sessions has called for an investigation into how it happened, and Rick Scott called for the FBI director to resign.

AlistarWills · Feb 16, 2018

All 17 families should file a lawsuit against the FBI and those found responsible for blowing this off should spend the rest of their days behind bars.

RTR91 said:
https://twitter.com/abc/status/964553079789113345

TIDE-HSV · Feb 16, 2018

AlistarWills said:
All 17 families should file a lawsuit against the FBI and those found responsible for blowing this off should spend the rest of their days behind bars.

Maybe "should," but there's no such statute imposing that for falling down on your job...

cbi1972 · Feb 16, 2018

AlistarWills said:
All 17 families should file a lawsuit against the FBI and those found responsible for blowing this off should spend the rest of their days behind bars.

Consider the implications of this.

If what you are saying were an actual remedy, the FBI would never have said that they been contacted about this guy at all. Obfuscation and destroying evidence of said notification would be the norm. If found out, they would find someone to scapegoat, and replace that person with a new person who probably wouldn't do any better. This isn't what I want the FBI to be doing. Assuming good faith, simply doing a bad job isn't something you hand out life sentences for.

It's all too easy to second guess the job someone is doing when not in possession of all the facts and context. Eventually you run out of people willing to do a job if the penalty for failure is that extreme.

AlistarWills · Feb 16, 2018

You know, you are right. It just totally ticks me off that people have jobs of high responsibility and they are flippant about it instead of taking their job seriously. I have family that are in the medical field and have taken call, where they have a specified amount of time to arrive after being paged. They get there at the absolute last minute and it really bothers me because someone’s life could be on the line. In this case, 17 people lost their lives and 17 families have irreparable damage and a community is forever changed because someone “didn’t do their job”. A simple termination is just unacceptable.

cbi1972 said:
Consider the implications of this.

If what you are saying were an actual remedy, the FBI would never have said that they been contacted about this guy at all. Obfuscation and destroying evidence of said notification would be the norm. If found out, they would find someone to scapegoat, and replace that person with a new person who probably wouldn't do any better. This isn't what I want the FBI to be doing. Assuming good faith, simply doing a bad job isn't something you hand out life sentences for.

It's all too easy to second guess the job someone is doing when not in possession of all the facts and context. Eventually you run out of people willing to do a job if the penalty for failure is that extreme.

cbi1972 · Feb 16, 2018

AlistarWills said:
You know, you are right. It just totally ticks me off that people have jobs of high responsibility and they are flippant about it instead of taking their job seriously. I have family that are in the medical field and have taken call, where they have a specified amount of time to arrive after being paged. They get there at the absolute last minute and it really bothers me because someone’s life could be on the line. In this case, 17 people lost their lives and 17 families have irreparable damage and a community is forever changed because someone “didn’t do their job”. A simple termination is just unacceptable.

I have no particular insight into the FBI's caseload or workflow, but I do have an imagination.
I have a hard time believing that someone viewed these reports, shrugged "who cares" and ignored it.
I have an easier time believing that these reports were noted, assigned a priority and assembled into a database or document, and the highest priority reports given the most attention.
Should this have been given higher priority? Maybe. Probably. It's easy to say that in retrospect.
I expect we will know more at some point about how this actually did happen, but I don't feel entitled to details.

TIDE-HSV · Feb 16, 2018

cbi1972 said:
I have no particular insight into the FBI's caseload or workflow, but I do have an imagination.
I have a hard time believing that someone viewed these reports, shrugged "who cares" and ignored it.
I have an easier time believing that these reports were noted, assigned a priority and assembled into a database or document, and the highest priority reports given the most attention.
Should this have been given higher priority? Maybe. Probably. It's easy to say that in retrospect.
I expect we will know more at some point about how this actually did happen, but I don't feel entitled to details.

I actually do feel that the public is entitled to the details of what went wrong. Transparency matters...

RTR91 · Feb 16, 2018

TIDE-HSV said:
I actually do feel that the public is entitled to the details of what went wrong. Transparency matters...

This report might explain it a bit.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/964645515651624961

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TIDE-HSV · Feb 16, 2018

RTR91 said:
This report might explain it a bit.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/964645515651624961

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If that be the case, then they need to come clean with the number of threats which came into that office about that time and admit it, if the situation was that they couldn't even read them. Those gross numbers mean nothing really. The tip which was phoned in was very specific...

Bazza · Feb 20, 2018

Mention was made in the Trump Policy thread about the student's speech affecting upcoming elections. Thought it could be of value to post her speech.

Not sure if she has her facts correct though when mentioning Florida's gun laws (in the first 2 minutes).

Bazza · Feb 20, 2018

Another student and his comments.....

Bazza · Feb 20, 2018

Bazza · Feb 20, 2018

I applaud these young adults not being afraid to voice their concerns.

I think we should have more of this - not just when a shooting occurs.

I would have liked to see the interviewer ask them what other issue besides gun control laws and regulations may have played a role in the shooting.

It's certainly a complex issue so would be worth the inquiry for all concerned.

cbi1972 · Feb 20, 2018

Gun owner destroys rifle after Florida shooting: ‘Now there’s one less’ – video

Assuming he was planning to murder someone with it, bravo, Scott. Your sacrifice is appreciated.

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