How does anyone even own a gun? I thought Obama was going to take them away.
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Anyone who said or believes that is utterly clueless.
About as clueless as those who think AR-15 stands for "assault rifle."
I think it probably was a relatively recent thing (the right to bear arms), though most 'right' were relatively new at that point in time - for a vast majority of world history the king ruled with an iron fist.
They conceded, no question. They've done it within our lifetimes, in fact.
I could dive into the differences (very generally speaking) in the mindset / worldview of the US citizen vs a citizen from a Euro country, but I'm not sure it's entirely topical here. TL;DR version is this - imo, most europeans have been raised one or two generations removed from having a king and it shows in their general attitude regarding individual rights. The English have relinquished many rights - I say it's no coincidence that both Orwell and Huxley were Brits...
I know this was directed elsewhere but I wanted to take a stab at it. Firstly, I think you are being too narrow in confining “Arms” and the wording in the 2A and the English Bill of Rights as specifically referring to firearms. “Arms” can refer to any weapons, whether pistols, knives, or swords. Firearms are the focus these days as they are the most commonly used and available weapons, but the inalienable right refers to the right to defend oneself, especially with a weapon. So it is not something that just suddenly materialized 500yrs ago with the invention of the firearm but has evolved to include firearms as they became the dominant weapon of choice.
Secondly, yes the British failed to defend their right of ownership and it is now suppressed. Firearms ownership was a very British thing until relatively recently. Take Sherlock Holmes for example. He and Dr. Watson routinely walk around armed with pistols like it is no big deal. Any gentlemen could do the same, and there was a booming arms industry in the UK, especially with self defense weapons. It is only recently that firearms have been twisted to be this scary thing that only creepy people want to own.
James Bond became a terrible novel when Daniel Craig carried nothing but a billy club around to beat bad guys with - like a sort of English Buford Pusser.
Yeah I get you are poking fun at my use of a fictional character as an example. The point was that the characters, as private citizens, owning and using pistols was not a shocking or abnormal part of the stories as many British men owned and carried weapons for personal defense at the time. This was true up until the 60s I believe. I can’t really pull up examples of historical individuals but I can produce things like ads:
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False equivalence. It's clueless to have believed that Obama even wanted to take everyone's guns. Not knowing that AR stands for ArmaLite is hardly the same thing--it's like not knowing that Knicks is short for Knickerbockers.
Not that I oppose the move, but I do find it odd that this presidential proclamation requires OMB's approve but not Congress'.
I forget what Montesquieu wrote about the OMB.
I became enamored of the Walther PPK, after the early books. Problem is, all they were good for - and ill-formed, at that - was as a club. After trying three, I went back to revolvers...
Perhaps he just selected an agency randomly? My stock came with a letter from ATF explaining in detail why it did not convert a semi-auto to a machine gun...
All stories from the last 24 hours.
Teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom. He was trained in gun use.
School resource officer accidentally fired gun at Virginia middle school
Sheriff apologizes for accidentally leaving gun at school
Yep, the solution to gun violence in schools is definitely more guns in schools.
Teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom. He was trained in gun use.
School resource officer accidentally fired gun at Virginia middle school
Sheriff apologizes for accidentally leaving gun at school
Yep, the solution to gun violence in schools is definitely more guns in schools.
In fairness...... if everyone in the school was armed, the last one wouldn't have been that much of a big deal
Yes this. I very rarely think about the day our government (unless the democrats are in power) goes all tyrannical. I think about full scale riots (ie. LA in 1992), the general breakdown of order, or left wing extremists groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, or radical Islam looking to stir things up. Having a firearm in your house and car can and will save your life from these home gown terrorist.
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I keep seeing posts on Facebook saying kids should walk up to the kid sitting alone at lunch and be friends with him.
I want everyone who had posted that to give a specific example of when they did that in school.
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I want everyone who had posted that to give a specific example of when they did that in school.
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Yeah usually that kid is alone because he is a bit “off”, has poor social skills, and doesn’t get along with anyone. 17yr olds aren’t counselors for their peers. I can’t blame them for staying away from the kid who is super difficult to get along by with.
I think it has more to do with doing an act of kindness that could change the direction of someone's life rather than doing what people normally do. I've got a middle school girl and I can tell you from real life experience of what she (and my wife and I) is going through. Kids can be absolutely cruel, degrading and I'm tempted to say evil. People in general (especially kids) want to be accepted. Be it right or wrong, kids put a lot of their self worth into what their peers think about them and whether or not they are accepted. Regardless of how many times parents tell them "Those people do not determine your value." It doesn't mean they are weak minded, it just means they are kids.
You never know what that kid sitting by his/herself is going through outside of school, on top of being shunned and made fun of at school. Many of these kids are dealing with adult situations that many adults have taken their life over. I see nothing wrong with encouraging our kids to befriend and extend kindness to someone who otherwise may not get it. It could change the direction of their life, or better yet, save it.
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Idk, I am a proponent of the second amendment, but I have never purchased nor used nor intended to use a weapon for anything other than hunting deer, turkey, and waterfowl, or plinking creative targets or clays on the farm. I can’t say I have ever been somewhere where i thought to myself, man, I really wish I had a firearm on me right now”. Obviously home invasions happen. But I can’t say I’ve ever feared or anticipate violent riots down my street.
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