The Perpetual Gun Control Thread
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The difference must be all the video games, rock music, and bullying that only happen in America. Anything but laissez-faire gun regulation, amirite?
The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined
The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined
As "pro-gun" as I am, it is an idiotic tactic for the Right to try and deflect blame onto those things you mention. I think a large part of it is home-life and culture, but also easy access to weaponry. I'm a Conservative standing out in the open and admitting that gun violence is at least partially due to an overabundance of access. But I also don't think anything short of a ban and confiscation will significantly or convincingly drop the number of shootings, which is problematic for me and many other 2A believers. But we've been around this block before. I don't really have a solution.The difference must be all the video games, rock music, and bullying that only happen in America. Anything but laissez-faire gun regulation, amirite?
The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined
So far the only thing school shootings have done is made me buy more guns. Weird, right? I certainly don't feel like either party really cares, and this is the flavor of the month. Despite how horrible the event is, I feel like that's the truth behind it.
I believe it is true, but it doesn't detract from the severity of the problem and the need to solve it. I'm sure you'd agree with that.
However difficult or despairing the outlook, it's worth the sweat to try and find a way to keep kids safe and preserve the spirit of 2A which is to convincingly dissuade the Federal Government from ever using force against it's civilians.
I agree. Just because I like me some shooting doesn't mean I like me some school shootings. But like so many have said, I don't know what the answer is.
I will say, I'm absolutely sick of lobbyist (all of them, all sides of all aisles) and their influence on our govt.
Wow, sounds like you have lots of access to lots of guns. Surely, you must have killed some folks. Access and whatnot.
I would agree that who the gun owner allows to have access to their guns is a potential/known problem. Not sure what you can do without interfering with individual's rights of privacy. I know I don't want a gvt inspector coming in my house nosing around. I guess if you want to consider additional laws maybe hold adults responsible if they give access to their guns to someone else and they are used in a crime.
I know I have a safe and I am the only one in my house that has access .......period, but it's obvious that others don't think as safely as others in regards to weapons.
This kind of thing is not gonna be stopped by more laws regardless of what the laws are. In general, in my honest opinion with no actual data at this time to back it up because I'm too lazy to look it up right now, to me it still boils down to people. People are the common denominator in all of this and if someone wants to do harm they will. Plus, with all the attention these people get from committing these acts it adds to the allure. I think that people who do these things have a kind of mental disorder ( I know, Thanks Cptn Obvious....lol). How do we recognize this? Not sure that we can. However, it seems that in each of these mass shooting cases there were plenty of warning signs that went ignored.
The one thing that I can certainly potentially agree to as far as additional laws and such is to possibly restrict/bar access to guns for people with true mental illnesses that are well documented. For me there would have to be very strict parameters for this action to be taken. What those parameters might be I would really have to think about.
As a person, my heart goes out to these families/communities because these are terrible things to happen. Of that there should be no doubt in anyone's mind/heart/soul.
I do think that those on the more gun control/confiscate all guns side of the issue do need to realize that as tragic as these things are you will never be able to wipe it out by simply making more laws.
Those on the 2a side (including myself) need to be more receptive to at least doing something to slow this down/take preventive measures in regards to mass shootings, particularly at schools. I don't have all the answers but surely there are ideas that together both sides can agree on. But, as long as we on this board can't even discuss it without the anger and bantering back and forth this issue will never be even close to being remedied or truly addressed.
I know I have a safe and I am the only one in my house that has access .......period, but it's obvious that others don't think as safely as others in regards to weapons.
This kind of thing is not gonna be stopped by more laws regardless of what the laws are. In general, in my honest opinion with no actual data at this time to back it up because I'm too lazy to look it up right now, to me it still boils down to people. People are the common denominator in all of this and if someone wants to do harm they will. Plus, with all the attention these people get from committing these acts it adds to the allure. I think that people who do these things have a kind of mental disorder ( I know, Thanks Cptn Obvious....lol). How do we recognize this? Not sure that we can. However, it seems that in each of these mass shooting cases there were plenty of warning signs that went ignored.
The one thing that I can certainly potentially agree to as far as additional laws and such is to possibly restrict/bar access to guns for people with true mental illnesses that are well documented. For me there would have to be very strict parameters for this action to be taken. What those parameters might be I would really have to think about.
As a person, my heart goes out to these families/communities because these are terrible things to happen. Of that there should be no doubt in anyone's mind/heart/soul.
I do think that those on the more gun control/confiscate all guns side of the issue do need to realize that as tragic as these things are you will never be able to wipe it out by simply making more laws.
Those on the 2a side (including myself) need to be more receptive to at least doing something to slow this down/take preventive measures in regards to mass shootings, particularly at schools. I don't have all the answers but surely there are ideas that together both sides can agree on. But, as long as we on this board can't even discuss it without the anger and bantering back and forth this issue will never be even close to being remedied or truly addressed.
"We need more laws!"
Time and again we see where the very people who should be there to stop these shootings drop the ball, yet so many clamor for more laws, more government intervention... SMH...
Florida stopped doing gun permit checks for more than a year
Time and again we see where the very people who should be there to stop these shootings drop the ball, yet so many clamor for more laws, more government intervention... SMH...
Florida stopped doing gun permit checks for more than a year
Ok, make laws where people who are in the responsibility chain actually bear some reponsibility and I imagine you would have a much different landscape.As it is now people whose approve concealed carry are nothing more than a rubber stamp.
Thirty-three states are "shall issue" states, meaning that the offices issuing the permits cannot deny one unless that have strong evidence that the person shouldn't have one. Eight more require no permit. That's forty-one out of fifty. Sort of hard to blame the responsible authorities...
Is the gun owner notified of the court proceeding and is the gun owner allowed to present a counter argument or is the owner only notified when authorities come to confiscate the guns? If the gun owner has his guns forcibly taken without having a day in court first, I imagine a lawsuit isn't far behind. I imagine the state would argue its a public safety issue similar to holding people in jail pretrial (a horrible system in the way poor people stay in jail at high expense, to us taxpayers, while the more affluent pay a fee "bail" to go home).
I don't want unstable or violent people to have guns, but IMHO, the state shouldn't be able to take away ANY of a citizen's rights without first having gone before a judge AND the citizen also having the opportunity to both be at the preceeding and present a counter argument should he wish.
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Text of the Florida Risk Protection Act.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...act&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.401.html
[FONT="](3) [/FONT][FONT="]RISK PROTECTION ORDER HEARINGS AND ISSUANCE.—[/FONT][FONT="](a) Upon receipt of a petition, the court must order a hearing to be held no later than 14 days after the date of the order and must issue a notice of hearing to the respondent for the same.1. The clerk of the court shall cause a copy of the notice of hearing and petition to be forwarded on or before the next business day to the appropriate law enforcement agency for service upon the respondent as provided in subsection (5).
2. The court may, as provided in subsection (4), issue a temporary ex parte risk protection order pending the hearing ordered under this subsection. Such temporary ex parte order must be served concurrently with the notice of hearing and petition as provided in subsection (5).
Looks like law enforcement can take the guns away temporarily if a judge agrees and then a hearing must be held within 14 days
with the respondent notified of the hearing.
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http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...act&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.401.html
[FONT="](3) [/FONT][FONT="]RISK PROTECTION ORDER HEARINGS AND ISSUANCE.—[/FONT][FONT="](a) Upon receipt of a petition, the court must order a hearing to be held no later than 14 days after the date of the order and must issue a notice of hearing to the respondent for the same.1. The clerk of the court shall cause a copy of the notice of hearing and petition to be forwarded on or before the next business day to the appropriate law enforcement agency for service upon the respondent as provided in subsection (5).
2. The court may, as provided in subsection (4), issue a temporary ex parte risk protection order pending the hearing ordered under this subsection. Such temporary ex parte order must be served concurrently with the notice of hearing and petition as provided in subsection (5).
Looks like law enforcement can take the guns away temporarily if a judge agrees and then a hearing must be held within 14 days
with the respondent notified of the hearing.
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Our sheriff......I love this guy......
Mike ChitwoodYesterday at 1:46 PM ·
I have been asked about this weekend's break-in at a DeBary gun shop, where 18 weapons (handguns, rifles and shotguns) were stolen by a group of 15 to 19-year-olds from Orlando.
Members of the Orange County Sheriff's Office were monitoring/following these criminals as they traveled to DeBary from Orange County.
We've always had a great working relationship with Orange County SO, and I know that will continue to be the case.
However, I want gun store owners and every Volusia County resident to know that what happened in this case is not going to happen again in our county.
We are not OK with watching a group of thugs smash into a gun store, leave with an arsenal and put lives at risk in the process.
I am glad that these 5 are in custody, no one was injured and all but one of the guns were recovered. But in the future, we are not going to allow this scenario to play out. There's no way to know for sure how it's going to end.
Mike ChitwoodYesterday at 1:46 PM ·
I have been asked about this weekend's break-in at a DeBary gun shop, where 18 weapons (handguns, rifles and shotguns) were stolen by a group of 15 to 19-year-olds from Orlando.
Members of the Orange County Sheriff's Office were monitoring/following these criminals as they traveled to DeBary from Orange County.
We've always had a great working relationship with Orange County SO, and I know that will continue to be the case.
However, I want gun store owners and every Volusia County resident to know that what happened in this case is not going to happen again in our county.
We are not OK with watching a group of thugs smash into a gun store, leave with an arsenal and put lives at risk in the process.
I am glad that these 5 are in custody, no one was injured and all but one of the guns were recovered. But in the future, we are not going to allow this scenario to play out. There's no way to know for sure how it's going to end.
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