Agreed. He made the tackles look really bad at times. To no fault of their own. They are blocking for a pocket, huge guys, their back is to the QB. I saw many times he left the o lineman in a can't win situation.
Alabama QB competition article
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I can't speak for the entire season but I can go ahead and tell you that the LSU and MSU games had almost all justified scrambles by the QB. The line was getting beat frequently both of these games and not in the sorta way where the QB can slide around a bit to extend the pocket. Have I seen Jalen Hurts abort the play too quickly in favor of a scramble run? Sure, but in some of our biggest games I've rewatched I'm just not seeing it. When the whiffs are that bad then you basically have to roll out and cut your field in half for potential scramble drill throws then probably run.
I'll have to watch again, but that's not what I recall. What I remember is that at the first flash of pressure, Jalen has a tendency to flush to the side (mostly to the right), instead of stepping up into the pocket. This does two things first it takes half the field out of the pattern, second; it makes the blocking a lot worse than it really is since the OT is going to be pushing his man out and up to keep the pocket. If the QB flushes into that he makes it worse. jalen rarely stepped INTO the pocket - he usually flushed OUT of the pocket. The announcers in the national championship even talked about it with several plays as illustrations.
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fundamentally disagree with that, so we'll have to agree to disagree. I see the reads Hurts didn't make as major issues, and it doesn't seem you do.
The only plays Daboll really took out were the jet sweeps. Most of the rest of the route tree stayed the same, it's just that defenses knew they could park on the short routes and that if that first route was not open that Jalen would run. Seems the MSU numbers validate that.
I see a lot of things with Hurts as major issues, I never stated otherwise. I just reiterate that he played a good game against Miss. State. I believe he played an excellent game under the circumstances. Read what rgw said, plenty of Hurts scrambles were not just ill advised and refusing to throw the ball. Some of those prevented sacks, or instead of throwing the ball away he gained a few yards.
Miss. State came to play, they were well coached, they outdid Alabama at a lot of things. Fortunately Jalen Hurts had a really good outing, and the fact that the worst thing he seemed to do was lose a few yards in field goal range says a lot. Not perfect, but still a great game. I really don't get this whole thing though, the if Tua had started Alabama beats Auburn (for the record I don't care one tiny bit that Alabama lost to Auburn, the championship is what matters), the offensive line always did a great job, if Hurts got pressured that was his own doing, Daboll (who ran to the NFL first chance he got) was calling a great game but Hurts just screwed it all up, if Alabama didn't burn a lot of clock that was all Hurts fault, etc...
The issues were not all the fault of Hurts. Some? Many? Sure, not disputing that. But, I really don't like the idea of kind of revising even his good games into lesser performances.
When playing a really good team (like Georgia, LSU, Miss State and Auburn) and they stack the line with 8-9 man front what is the QB supposed to do? Pass enough to keep the run D honest? Run enough to keep the run D honest? This is not rocket science. When the pass is not respected, for whatever reason, it usually does not end well for the team who can't pass well.
I can. Alabama worries about national championships. Auburn worries about beating Alabama. Yeah, it's great to beat them, but I'd rather watch Alabama win the national title.
If we wouldn't have gotten into the playoffs and won the NC, then yeah, it would have stung pretty bad. But seeing we went on and won it all (which is the primary goal of a season), it's just a case of a little heartburn after eating Mexican food for dinner.
Had we had the playoffs in 2013, we win it all that year even though Auburn beat us. There's a reason they have 2 in 100+ years and we have 17.
Beating Auburn is great. Like how beating Tennessee, LSU, or any SEC team that tries to step to us is great.
This year just proves that Alabama isn't defined by the Iron Bowl any more than any other SEC game of importance.
This year just proves that Alabama isn't defined by the Iron Bowl any more than any other SEC game of importance.
If your posting history didn't go back so far, I would swear you are Jalen's father based on many of your posts. We all love the kid and I thank him for all he did for us. But if you can't see all the ways he fell short in so many games, despite the final scoreboard, then you really do have the blinders on. Without being an expert on the subject, I could easily see that he struggles passing, gives up on passing plays too quickly, and calls his own number in run options when the RB was the better read. I think that he was just used to always winning games by calling his own number than not all the way through high school, where he was likely always the best athlete on the field. But once that was no longer always the case, he struggled. He has achieved a lot, without a doubt, and there are so many things to admire about Jalen Hurts. But his ability to take over a game with his arm and keep teams honest, thus allowing some of his running magic to wow us, has proven to be unreliable at best.
Jalen Hurts is the victim of his own success. No doubt he did what you say in HS and was very successful at it. He also threw the ball, especially the deep ball, quite well in some of the video's I've seen.
But when he came to Bama he said he came to learn how to be a drop back, passing qb. This would have entailed learning how to read defenses and go through progressions and learning better footwork in the pocket, etc.
Unfortunately, he landed here at a time when our first true freshman in decades was needed to take the field. He basically had to be who he was. A run first, first read type of QB. I don't hold that against him at all because you can only do what you know how to do.
If he would have redshirted and maybe played in limited backup roles his redshirt year (which would have been the past year), he would have probably been able to learn much more about the passing game, but such were not the circumstances. In a perfect world he could have played as a redshirt soph. (next year) and probably been much more balanced as a runner and passer, but that is not the way it worked out.
Yep. Completely agree. He was baptized by fire and never got a chance to sit, study, watch and learn.
So many of those kids want to get in and start their first year when sometimes it's the worst thing that could happen to them. I don't think Jalent beneefitted from Kiffin being in the state that he was or dealing with the changeover at the position.
While I think Tua, from day one, was much more polished and advanced as a QB, his ability to be worked into games after the W was secure was a big blessing for him. I think he was probably good enough to help us win most games last year (discussed in another thread) if he would have had to played as a true freshman like JH the year before, but there's no doubt in my mind he was able to grow more in the way he was eased into game like situations and that came to a culmination against Georgia. And the slow learning curve from last year will likely pay off this year as his talent is worked into game plans!
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