Alabama QB competition article
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I think Enos is the X factor this year for us. He is a true QB coach. Both of the Allen boys at Arkansas were very good and successful albeit while almost getting killed playing behind that o line.
With all this swirling about now, and that will only intensify, I have every expectation that both Jalen and Tua will handle everything with the same class and grace that they have to this point. When/if either Jalen or Tua transfers, with the way they`ve conducted themselves as young men and represented UA, I would hope that we would all wish them the very best ( only possible exception would be if they ended up at the barn or UT, IMO ! ).
I would like for all 3 QB to stay, but if Jalen does transfer, I hope he waits until after the season/after he graduates. I also hope all 3 QB can stay healthy.
Saban will do what is best for the team (I hope). We as fans have our opinions. I wonder what Ms. Terry thinks about the QB situation. He has probably talked with her about it, but that does not mean he will take her advice
Personally, I think the program benefits more if Tua is the starter-- he is better overall, we are trying to recruit his brother and cousin, and many of the WR recruits we are trying to get would probably go elsewhere if Tua did not start.
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That’s kinda where I am as well..... have the utmost respect for Jalen and wish him well, but I think the offense runs more efficiently with Tua....... and recruits are lookingI would like for all 3 QB to stay, but if Jalen does transfer, I hope he waits until after the season/after he graduates. I also hope all 3 QB can stay healthy.
Saban will do what is best for the team (I hope). We as fans have our opinions. I wonder what Ms. Terry thinks about the QB situation. He has probably talked with her about it, but that does not mean he will take her advice
I'm truly sorry for your misfortune. You've had some real tough breaks and my heart goes out to you.
I think this is true of most sports. Not that training and learning don't help us move from "thinking" to "reacting" but there's the inborn magic that some have and others don't that I really believe sets the best guys apart.
It's looking at it this way that the Bleacher Report missed. They acted like Jalen didn't do anything wrong in 2 years and Tua just did everything right in 1 half. That's what I didn't like about their report. They failed to say what you did...that Jalen is basically not a real good quarterback in the sense of being able to pass the football and get the whole offense involved.
The implication is the 26 wins of the 26-2 record of Hurts as QB is soley because of Jalen Hurts. The problem is this insults the defense and the other players' role in that record.
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Ask yourself THIS question......how many games in the past two seasons that we won would we have lost if Hurts was NOT the QB?
Ole Miss in 2016, probably. Remember, his backups were Cornwell and Barnett and Bateman.
What other games can we honestly say that about?
ANY?
Ole Miss in 2016, probably. Remember, his backups were Cornwell and Barnett and Bateman.
What other games can we honestly say that about?
ANY?
Yea, that is something that drives me insane. Wins aren't an individual accomplishment, especially in college. Now in the NFL, QB wins become more relevant IMO.
Yeah, that's my thing.
Everyone needs to understand statistics CAN be misleading.
Hank Bauer won seven World Series rings with the NY Yankees. He also managed the Baltimore Orioles to the 1966 World Series championship.
Does ANYBODY actually believe that Hank Bauer should be in the baseball HOF? He was a right fielder with 164 career home runs and a .277 batting average. He led the league in triples once (1957) and fielding percentage twice (1954, 1955). He's the 85th best right fielder to ever play the game and he was on the HOF ballot only his first year eligible and disappeared. NOBODY.....and I mean NOBODY...argues that Bauer somehow deserves to be in the Hall because "he won 8 World Series rings, including one as a manger.")
"But he won as many rings as Babe Ruth" should show how ridiculous that argument is.
Hurts is not as removed statistically as Bauer, but my point is that in any team sport you have guys who may be decent enough or solid enough players to hold a job.
In football.....Marv Fleming was a tight end who played in five of the first eight Super Bowls, winning four (the first guy to win four rings)......he also won an NFL title ring before we had Super Bowls. NOBODY argues that Marv Fleming was even an overly great player, even though he was good.
I would reiterate: HOW many games can we give Hurts the lion's share of credit for us winning or at least a substantial proportion?
Some of our "struggle wins" or "scoreboard looks more impressive than we were" wins were precisely because Hurts was just not very good inside the red zone.
Does anyone here think Hurts hits Ridley with the fourth down pass to tie the Georgia game?
I don't. I have too much evidence to persuade me otherwise. (And even those of you wanting to argue, "But he wasn't the intended receiver," so what?)
I generally agree but......does anyone want to talk about our kicking game, most specifically....FIELD GOALS??????
I thought the same at first but after rewatching his numbers were not as good as his play. WRs dropped a lot of easily catchable balls.What success in the LSU game?
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The problem (IMO) with Jalen's game isn't that he could never make the necessary plays. I remember the Miss St game, he made several reads, got the ball out on time and delivered it accurately. He may even had a throw or two in the LSU game like that. The problem is he can't do it on a consistent enough basis. For every one or two times he does it right, there's another five to six times (in a row) he doesn't do it. Which leads to a bogged down offense, a tired defense and frustrated players.
Similarly but vice versa, for the real story you have to watch all the passes and lack of ability to read defense, failure to check off to secondary receivers, poor pocket presence, and the games as a whole, rather than supporting Hurts for misleading passing stats, especially in 2016, built primarily on jet sweeps and quick outs.
When you referred to Hank Bauer I felt a need to comment on him in a way that doesn't respond to the point you were making.
I always recall that everyone always held Bauer in such high esteem as a decorated war hero. Perhaps he doesn't deserve to be in the baseball HOF. He did however have some great achievements that transcend sports. A number of the stars of this Bauer's era such as Ted Williams put it all on the line in a much more serious endeavor. You likely recall that Williams flew combat missions in both WW ll and Korea.
After reading of Bauer's combat wounds it is amazing that he ever played sports at all
From Wikipedia:
One month after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Bauer enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps and served with the 4th Raider Battalion and G Company, 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines. While deployed to the Pacific Theater, Bauer contracted malaria on Guadalcanal, however he recovered from that well enough to earn 11 campaign ribbons, two Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts (for being wounded in action) in 32 months of combat and the Navy Commendation Medal. Bauer was wounded his second time during the Battle of Okinawa, when he was a sergeant in command of a platoon of 64 Marines. Only six of the 64 Marines survived the Japanese counterattack, and Bauer was wounded by shrapnel in his thigh. His wounds were severe enough to send him back to the United States to recuperate.
Oh yea I agree completely. The thing that crushes me a little is that while watching him you can tell he has the athleticism to be an NFL player...just not at QB. In the LSU game he had one run where he faked to the outside allowing the RT to block both the DL and LB and opening up a massive hole. Another play 2 LSU players had him dead to rights for a huge sack but he just spun and took off. He is so strong and fast that he absolutely belongs on the football field. I'm just worried he won't ever change positions and never make it there.
Not with Daddy telling him and everybody else that the only thing he'll ever be is a QB.
Maybe he can cut the mustard at that position - but maybe he can't, and suddenly all that emphatic talk about what he is and how he won't play anywhere else is nothing but an anchor around the neck of his career; sinking any hope he may have had at the next level.
Speaking in general terms I've seen a lack of versatility and flexibility cause a few people their jobs. Some people think its the mark of a "champion" to basically be blind and ignorant to the circumstances around them. Again - maybe Jalen CAN play the position, but if he doesn't and refuses to switch then you can count him among the majority of mortals who lost out because they refused to adapt.
It happens. In that moment, Bauer's baseball achievements were likely a secondary consideration for his entry to HOF. It's kinda like you had to live through it. It is understandable that people will cite statistics in the absence of experience or specific knowledge. It's so purely human I would never admonish anyone for doing it.
Like when many people said the Navajo code talkers should make a statement about the Redskin nicklname. No, they don't, the are the effin codetalkers. Whatever they say goes. Whatever they don't say goes. Heroes are a plane above.
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