Archaeologists Find 7,000 Native American Burial Ground Underwater

Tidewater · Mar 1, 2018

'Unprecedented' Native American burial site discovered in Gulf of Mexico off Florida
My first thought was "Why would they bury their dead under water?" I guess that makes grave robbing much more difficult.
Then I thought, "Wow, they had developed SCUBA gear 7,000 years ago?"

TIDE-HSV · Mar 1, 2018

Before this discovery, they had discovered buried cypress forests on the shelf, but much older, and at a depth of 60', instead of close to the surface. The area of real interest to me is what the archaeologists have named "Doggerland." (Named after the Dogger Bank in Holland.) Once, the English Channel was a broad fertile and inhabited plain and I'm told my genetic profile was common there. Unfortunately, the EC is almost 600' deep and fierce currents came through when it was breached, so it's doubtful anything of value remains, even around the fringes...

Alabama Forest

92tide · Mar 1, 2018

if your wood has stayed around 60,000 years or longer, please contact your physician.

cbi1972 · Mar 1, 2018

In essence, the Underwater Forest wasn’t like a modern Gulf Coast swamp at all. Instead, it was a forest designed for a colder place.

Even in scientific writing, the urge to use language suggesting a designer persists.

92tide · Mar 1, 2018

cbi1972 said:
Even in scientific writing, the urge to use language suggesting a designer persists.

to be fair, they found noah's initials carved into one of the trees

cbi1972 · Mar 1, 2018

92tide said:
to be fair, they found noah's initials carved into one of the trees

TIDE-HSV · Mar 1, 2018

cbi1972 said:
Even in scientific writing, the urge to use language suggesting a designer persists.

Well, we are "designed" by evolution. I don't think we have to read "intelligent" into it...

cbi1972 · Mar 1, 2018

TIDE-HSV said:
Well, we are "designed" by evolution. I don't think we have to read "intelligent" into it...

To me, the word "design" suggests purposeful intent. I'm unaware of a convenient word that unambiguously captures how evolution is said to work relative to the notion of (intelligent) design. Several come close, but tend to focus on specific aspects, like "undirected" or "emergent" "Random" applies to the nature of mutations, but is decidedly inappropriate when applied to natural selection.

day-day · Mar 1, 2018

Interesting article regarding the Gulf site.

Anyone identified their long lost relative yet?

"As important as the site is archaeologically, it is crucial that the site and the people buried there are treated with the utmost sensitivity and respect," said Dr. Timothy Parsons, the director of Florida's Division of Historical Resources. "The people buried at the site are the ancestors of America’s living indigenous people. Sites like this have cultural and religious significance in the present day."

In the book, Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America's Clovis Culture, (I think recommended by Tidewater a while back), there is plenty of talk about what may lie on and beneath the ocean floor off of the Atlantic coast. Many people lived on the coast and the coast was way our from where it is now.

cbi1972 said:
To me, the word "design" suggests purposeful intent. I'm unaware of a convenient word that unambiguously captures how evolution is said to work relative to the notion of (intelligent) design. Several come close, but tend to focus on specific aspects, like "undirected" or "emergent" "Random" applies to the nature of mutations, but is decidedly inappropriate when applied to natural selection.

What do you think about the author's inference that trees can talk?

That fits right in with what the trees themselves have to say about the world they were growing in.

cbi1972 · Mar 1, 2018

day-day said:
What do you think about the author's inference that trees can talk?

That struck me as well, but the metaphor is explained in the following paragraph. I suppose there is some poetic license being taken, but the notion of design is one that is very often taken the wrong way. I don't think anyone actually believed the trees expressed themselves verbally

Tidewater · Mar 1, 2018

day-day said:
In the book, Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America's Clovis Culture, (I think recommended by Tidewater a while back), there is plenty of talk about what may lie on and beneath the ocean floor off of the Atlantic coast. Many people lived on the coast and the coast was way our from where it is now.

I was wondering if anyone would bring that up.
This burial ground was from about 8,000 years after these genocidal maniacs had murdered the Frenchmen who were living in the eastern United States.
I realize it is far from Columbus Day when such language is normally used.
If underwater archaeologists could find someplace shielded from destructive currents, I'd bet they would find more evidence of the Europeans who skirted Atlantic Ice to hunt in Virginia or what is now the near off-shore area of Virginia, before the Asiatic invaders wiped them out.

TIDE-HSV · Mar 1, 2018

Tidewater said:
I was wondering if anyone would bring that up.
This burial ground was from about 8,000 years after these genocidal maniacs had murdered the Frenchmen who were living in the eastern United States.
I realize it is far from Columbus Day when such language is normally used.
If underwater archaeologists could find someplace shielded from destructive currents, I'd bet they would find more evidence of the Europeans who skirted Atlantic Ice to hunt in Virginia or what is now the near off-shore area of Virginia, before the Asiatic invaders wiped them out.

Skrælings!

CajunCrimson · Mar 2, 2018

So the seas were rising even before “global warming” ?

or did this ancient burial ground just go under since we pulled out of the Paris agreement?

Tidewater · Mar 2, 2018

TIDE-HSV said:
Alabama Forest

Interesting film.

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