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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Forrest View Post
    After 70 years as a part-time home for Arkansas football games, there’s only one more game scheduled at War Memorial Stadium. The current contract expires after the 2018 season, and as recently as last fall, when Arkansas officials presented a 39-page Powerpoint document comparing and contrasting the stadiums, a feeling of inevitability had settled in. Many expected the Ole Miss game Oct. 13 to be the Hogs’ last in the state capital.

    But momentum may have changed. There’s no handshake just yet, but it appears actual games are likely to remain in Little Rock, too.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ock/516039002/

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    For SEC games, a league rule requires the opponent to sign off on playing away from campus. And later this spring, a working group of SEC athletic directors is expected to unveil minimum standards for football venues, including for visitors’ and officials’ locker rooms (part of the $17 million in proposed improvements to War Memorial Stadium).

    Every other year, as the designated home team in the series, Arkansas essentially loses a home date. If the Razorbacks are also playing in Little Rock, they’ll lose two dates on campus. And in Arlington and Little Rock, NCAA rules don’t allow Arkansas to conduct the same recruiting activities as at games on campus.
    Arkansas is in the same situation that Alabama found itself in. Alabama and Auburn both lost money by not having Home and Home games. Pat Dye made it easy for us when he moved the Auburn games to their campus. We owe Pat Dye a debt of gratitude for his decision. Legion Field became a war zone when the sun went down. Years ago... We were blocked in inside an alley after a game, and rival gangs shot it out while we were inside our car. I put Barbara Ann in the floorboard, layed on top of her on my back with a .45 auto pointing up towards the windows. The gangs were interested in shooting each other, and not the fans. I never went to another game in B-ham.

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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Methinks the Sooies squeal the deal one way or another by renaming the old pile Bryant-Broyles Sty, er, Stadium.

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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Man Dan View Post
    Arkansas is in the same situation that Alabama found itself in. Alabama and Auburn both lost money by not having Home and Home games. Pat Dye made it easy for us when he moved the Auburn games to their campus. We owe Pat Dye a debt of gratitude for his decision. Legion Field became a war zone when the sun went down. Years ago... We were blocked in inside an alley after a game, and rival gangs shot it out while we were inside our car. I put Barbara Ann in the floorboard, layed on top of her on my back with a .45 auto pointing up towards the windows. The gangs were interested in shooting each other, and not the fans. I never went to another game in B-ham.
    Three weeks ago I went to the Hospital there (Prinston) where my friend was having heart procedures done. The staff there told us not to go to the parking lot after dark unless we got a security guard to go with us. I don't think the area has improved any. Even with the guard I was wondering about all the men lurking about. Oh, and even in the daytime there were bums wanting a handout in the lot and across the street at McDonald's.
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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    I never went to a game in Birmingham and I wish I would have. That’s all I’m going to say about that.
    My first game in Legion Field was Bama-Ga Tech 1981.
    Bama lost 21-24 and those Yellowjacketed knuckleheads did not win another game all year.
    What I remember most was the gentleman standing in his front lawn patting his palm with his baseball bat and telling the driver, "Boy, if you park your car in front of my house and don't pay me $5 to watch after your car, somebody might just bust your windows out."

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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    i saw some absolutely great games there.
    I agree. Some of my best memories of Bama games are from Legion Field.

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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    i saw some absolutely great games there.
    I never said the games sucked. Everything around Legion Field sucked. Was the best decision we ever made to leave that dump. I've only been going to games since 1992 and Legion Field was a dump then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    What I remember most was the gentleman standing in his front lawn patting his palm with his baseball bat and telling the driver, "Boy, if you park your car in front of my house and don't pay me $5 to watch after your car, somebody might just bust your windows out."
    Exactly the type of atmosphere I'm talking about. You shouldn't fear for your life (or possessions) just to go see a Bama game.
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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    This article can blow smoke all it wants to.

    It basically answers its own question - “If this was a dollars-and-cents decision, it’s easy,” says Arkansas athletic director Hunter Yurachek, and he’s correct. That presentation from last fall shows Arkansas loses $3.7 million per game by playing in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville – and beginning this fall, after that construction is completed, the number is expected to jump to $4.7 million."

    Nobody, even the dumbest Arky, is going to take a $4.7 million loss just for the sake of "history."

    It doesn't work that way.

    Oklahoma and Nebraska used to be a great rivalry, now they never play.

    Alabama and Ga Tech used to be a great rivalry, and they haven't met since 1984.

    Pat Dye tried to pretend the whole moving the Iron Bowl scrap was about "we're gonna show those big brutes in Tuscaloosa they can't push us around," and it was REALLY all about "think about how much MONEY we can pocket if we not only force those smoke blowers to come to Auburn BUT ALSO FORCE them to buy an entire season's worth of tickets just to get the one game!"

    If it's as simple as money then this decision has been made. And it has unless Little Rock can come up with a way to make more money for everyone.
    This pretty much written in stone. Tradition is good but not the end all. I am not sure how much profit Little Rock makes of a game there but I doubt they can come up with the $$$.
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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Forrest View Post
    This pretty much written in stone. Tradition is good but not the end all. I am not sure how much profit Little Rock makes of a game there but I doubt they can come up with the $$$.
    Tradition doesn't matter at all, no matter how many the old dinosaurs of the Big Ten/Pac 12 "we're entitled to the Rose Bowl" crowd thinks (and yeah there are OTHER examples but that one sticks in my craw).
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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Also, don't the piggies lose a home game every other year vs aTm( although Jerrah pays them wel). Off topic but on subject, how long before the cow puppies realize the disadvantages of playing in Jacksonville every year ?
    to 16 and beyond........

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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by 230kv_barehand View Post
    You didn't miss anything, trust me.

    Get out Arky!
    There were a multitude of fabulous games there. In fact, that is where more than 90% of the big games were played past Coach Bryant's tenure - til approx the 90s. The western side of Bham was not always what it is now. LF was once a great venue, as printed across its ?upper deck? facing, it was truly the "Football Capital of the South". Of course the main reason was that Alabama played there. This was true at least through the 70s.
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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by 230kv_barehand View Post
    You didn't miss anything, trust me.

    Get out Arky!
    I can't agree with this, Legion Field today and Legion Field in the 1970's is a bad comparison. I was there in the 70's and it was an experience I will always remember fondly. Not the greatest neighborhood even then, but it was all a part of the deal. I got to see the greatest coach of my lifetime lean against the goalpost and watch pregame warmups, clutching his game notes and deeply drawing on a Chesterfield. Great memories, and the Old Gray Lady was an integral part of it.
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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by 230kv_barehand View Post
    You didn't miss anything, trust me.

    Get out Arky!
    Oh I disagree . . . saw some memorable games in Birmingham, paid a few dollars for young boys to watch my car, ate great BBQ, and watched a miraculous field goal clear the cross bar!

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    Re: Arkansas weighs history and money in decision to stay or leave games in Little Ro

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q Basket Case View Post
    For the last few years, Legion Field was a dump.

    But in the late 70s heyday, it could be electric. Only one game on TV, we were it, Goodyear blimp overhead, tailgating in Mrs. Bagwell's back yard. Touchdown Café burgers, it was something.

    But those days ended, and we were a bit late moving all games to Tuscaloosa.

    I remember the last game there -- opening against USF on a brutally hot day. City of Birmingham did its usual bang-up job, and it took over an hour to get a coke. Utterly miserable experience all around. When it mercifully ended, Mrs. Basket Case and I simultaneously said a bunch of banned words.
    This ^^^

    Legion Field was great in its day.

    But times changed, and economics changed (mostly due to TV), But the Absolute Death Knell was the malfeasance of the corrupt City of Birmingham government! They made the whole situation 100 times worse than it might have been by utterly neglecting critical maintenance - SAFETY Maintenance on the Stadium itself, not to mention Amenities, AND by letting the surrounding neighborhoods descend into tragic SLUMS.

    By the last couple years we played there, going to a game at LF was like visiting the worst parts of Memphis or New Orleans, Parking was horrific (and sometimes very dangerous), concessions were woefully inadequate, the restrooms were disgusting - it wasn't unusual to wade through pools of "liquid" just to get to and from the field level restrooms.

    One of the last times I was there I clearly remember looking at a structural beam and LITERALLY seeing daylight through the rust patches.

    Frankly, its a MIRACLE that the upper deck especially, or even part of the lower bowl, never collapsed during an Alabama game when the place was full. That would have been a true tragedy and lives would have been lost.

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