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    dang, y'all are giving jawjuh a run for our money. just based on what i've seen skimming the ajc somewhat regularly, we have had quite a few youth ministers getting busted for that type of thing in the past couple of years.
    "Youth leader" was one of the worst staffing positions the evangelical church ever embraced. Granted, I have no clue where, when or who the "youth minister" position originated. But the idea of putting a barely out of college guy (and sometimes still in college guy) in charge of teenagers who aren't that much younger than he is, is about as smart as giving a toddler a kitchen knife to play with. What could possibly go wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    dang, y'all are giving jawjuh a run for our money. just based on what i've seen skimming the ajc somewhat regularly, we have had quite a few youth ministers getting busted for that type of thing in the past couple of years.
    I had a youth director as a kid that got fired for inappropriate relationships with girls. This was in the early 1980s and I was around 14 or so and didn’t really believe it. I thought he got run off for being an “outside the box” kind of guy who did zany stuff to build the program.

    A number of years later I learned he married one of the girls from my youth group.

    He (or someone with the same name who kind of looks like him) is now a high school drama teacher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    I had a youth director as a kid that got fired for inappropriate relationships with girls. This was in the early 1980s and I was around 14 or so and didn’t really believe it. I thought he got run off for being an “outside the box” kind of guy who did zany stuff to build the program.

    A number of years later I learned he married one of the girls from my youth group.

    He (or someone with the same name who kind of looks like him) is now a high school drama teacher.


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    When I was in HS I dated a girl and I'd attend a lot of their youth functions, because she was an active member of her church and youth group. Their youth leader gave me the creeps because I always got the feeling he had the hots for her. I was 17 and she was 16. He was around 24/25. Anytime I'd say something about it to her she'd get real defensive and basically shame me for even suggesting it. I still think the guy was a creep and the older I've gotten and think back on it. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if something like you've described didn't ultimately happen to him.
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    Re: Pastor fired for inappropriate images on church computer, hired by a crosstown ch

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    $5 says it was pictures of soy boys engaging in unspeakable acts at a saul alinsky appreciation party.




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    I don't think my church growing up ever had an issue with our youth director but I'm almost 100% convinced that there were some issues with the summer interns we would hire. We would often hire undergrads who ranged from 20-25 one female and one male and there were very obvious flirtations between the interns and some of the teens at the time (I'll admit I'm not completely exempt from this).

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    Re: Pastor fired for inappropriate images on church computer, hired by a crosstown ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    "Youth leader" was one of the worst staffing positions the evangelical church ever embraced. Granted, I have no clue where, when or who the "youth minister" position originated. But the idea of putting a barely out of college guy (and sometimes still in college guy) in charge of teenagers who aren't that much younger than he is, is about as smart as giving a toddler a kitchen knife to play with. What could possibly go wrong?
    Although "youth ministry" goes back to the earliest days of secondary education in the early 1800s, this more recent thing with youth ministry came in part out of young troops returning from WW2 but still being "youth" (e.g. you have a 17-year old who goes to war and comes back 19 or 20 and still isn't old enough to vote or be an adult for the most part by the standards of the time but has immense world experience). Some got a volunteer opportunity to help, it also became a way for a young just out of seminary pastor to either intern while he was there or to get his feet wet in ministering to almost adults. And the whole drive behind it in a lot of cases was missionary zeal and the fact that about 70% of the involved youth in church leave upon HS graduation and never come back. The youth leader in many cases did the planning for the trips/functions to keep the young folks busy and out of the back seats of cars (at least that one night a week).

    And the other thing that happened was at one time about 80% of churches DID have a paid (not enough to live on) youth minister and you have pastors just out of seminary where the youth pastorate was the first job so they could (presumably) get to work on paying back them student loans God inspired them to take.

    I took a course on this whole thing in seminary and one of the big things was that the problem with youth ministry is that many times the person who actually WANTS to do youth ministry is the oversized kid who never grew up and likes to go play putt-putt or paintball with the folks about five years younger. It's a sort of if he WANTS to do it then he's likely immature.

    A lot of churches used to require them to be married for the very reason you cite.
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    Re: Pastor fired for inappropriate images on church computer, hired by a crosstown ch

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Although "youth ministry" goes back to the earliest days of secondary education in the early 1800s, this more recent thing with youth ministry came in part out of young troops returning from WW2 but still being "youth" (e.g. you have a 17-year old who goes to war and comes back 19 or 20 and still isn't old enough to vote or be an adult for the most part by the standards of the time but has immense world experience). Some got a volunteer opportunity to help, it also became a way for a young just out of seminary pastor to either intern while he was there or to get his feet wet in ministering to almost adults. And the whole drive behind it in a lot of cases was missionary zeal and the fact that about 70% of the involved youth in church leave upon HS graduation and never come back. The youth leader in many cases did the planning for the trips/functions to keep the young folks busy and out of the back seats of cars (at least that one night a week).

    And the other thing that happened was at one time about 80% of churches DID have a paid (not enough to live on) youth minister and you have pastors just out of seminary where the youth pastorate was the first job so they could (presumably) get to work on paying back them student loans God inspired them to take.

    I took a course on this whole thing in seminary and one of the big things was that the problem with youth ministry is that many times the person who actually WANTS to do youth ministry is the oversized kid who never grew up and likes to go play putt-putt or paintball with the folks about five years younger. It's a sort of if he WANTS to do it then he's likely immature.

    A lot of churches used to require them to be married for the very reason you cite.
    In the UMC, the youth ministry, many of whom have been ordained deacon but not elder, is a prime source for future senior pastors. Once, I asked a senior UMC pastor, a friend of mine why so many youth pastors went back to school to be fully ordained and enter the full ministry. His answer was laconic - "They get tired of being kids"...
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    Re: Pastor fired for inappropriate images on church computer, hired by a crosstown ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Intl.Aperture View Post
    I think there is a difference between a pastor being a fallible human being and being a cretinous low-life.

    To me, this is just a man being prone to human foibles. I'd be willing to bet a large portion of male pastors struggle with this sort of thing, but I wouldn't lump them into the same category as deceitful mega-church pastors or ones committing offenses like predatory sexual behavior against children or embezzlement or something....not that you are claiming they are the same.

    I just think it's important to distinguish a pastor being a mortal human who occasionally errs (like we all do) and being a pile of human garbage who consistently abuses power in pursuit of glory and wealth.

    As an aside, I think our expectations of pastors is a large reason why many turn from the church. Just because these men and women have an education and vocation in the church does not minimize their susceptibility to the pitfalls of life. When we place them on moral pedestals we set ourselves up for failure and ultimately we allow their failings to reduce our faith in their biblical teachings. Just because someone is hypocritical or suffer a moment of weakness doesn't ALWAYS invalidate their teachings. But often I find Christians taking the failings of their pastor out on the bible personally or using it as a way to delegitimize the religion itself.

    Saint Augustine asserts, It's important to always judge a religion or philosophy on it's core tenets and beliefs and not by how it's followers pervert, fall short of, or abuse those teachings. That goes for all religions, not just Christianity.

    I'm sure this was an unnecessarily long post, but there it is.
    With all due respect.....

    Pastors are indeed all too human. But even should it just be a guy who likes a nice ample setting of DDs (and really, what guy doesn't?), the fact remains that the standards for a church pastor are incredibly high and include being a one-woman man (1 tim 3). Sure, we all struggle with it but that's where the line of demarcation is, too. Maybe I'm naive but it seems to me there's a difference coming across a site with a provocative picture (not necessarily nude - goodness, you can see Russian women here on TF looking for men, with apologies to TW) and STORING this on your computer. What's that for, your later release?

    The whole story permits MSDNC to float the idea that, "hey, maybe he's Sandusky/Jared Jr!"

    I'm of the view the church is to be a hospital for sinners not a haven for the saints but the standards laid down are also clear. Very few actually meet them and that's how God intended it.
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    Re: Pastor fired for inappropriate images on church computer, hired by a crosstown ch

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    In the UMC, the youth ministry, many of whom have been ordained deacon but not elder, is a prime source for future senior pastors. Once, I asked a senior UMC pastor, a friend of mine why so many youth pastors went back to school to be fully ordained and enter the full ministry. His answer was laconic - "They get tired of being kids"...
    The guy I mentioned earlier was at a Methodist church.


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    Re: Pastor fired for inappropriate images on church computer, hired by a crosstown ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    The guy I mentioned earlier was at a Methodist church.


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    Not surprised at all. The UMC, like the Roman Catholic church, has a history of reassigning problem pastors to distant conferences to be "rehabilitated." But that's ordained ministers. Unordained youth leaders don't have the same cover...
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    Not surprised at all. The UMC, like the Roman Catholic church, has a history of reassigning problem pastors to distant conferences to be "rehabilitated." But that's ordained ministers. Unordained youth leaders don't have the same cover...
    He wasn’t an actual pastor, just a youth leader. I don’t know what his religious background was before coming to our church. He was Italian and from up north. I only know what he is doing now because of Google.

    I didn’t know that about Methodist pastors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    He wasn’t an actual pastor, just a youth leader. I don’t know what his religious background was before coming to our church. He was Italian and from up north. I only know what he is doing now because of Google.

    I didn’t know that about Methodist pastors.


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    Had he been ordained, he would have been protected, from what you've said...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Had he been ordained, he would have been protected, from what you've said...
    Well, they didn’t have him arrested, so he was protected in a way. But I don’t know exactly what was going on or what they could prove. And it was 1982.


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