Congrats GOP, this is who you now are

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uafanataum

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you know I'd be enjoying this show a whole lot more if they weren't so successful overloading the judicial branch with true believing nutbags.

The GOP is eating itself under Trump

https://reason.com/2019/08/06/the-republican-partys-retirement-problem/
My problem with this stuff is this: There needs to be a conservative party in America to balance the libreral party. The Republican party seems to have changed from the conservative party to the nationalist party. If the Republicans do not correct soon it will be detrimental to our political balance. I'm probably a little right of center when it comes to my political beliefs. However, I cannot even vote my political beliefs because it's either racists or liberals.
 

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My problem with this stuff is this: There needs to be a conservative party in America to balance the libreral party. The Republican party seems to have changed from the conservative party to the nationalist party. If the Republicans do not correct soon it will be detrimental to our political balance. I'm probably a little right of center when it comes to my political beliefs. However, I cannot even vote my political beliefs because it's either racists or liberals.

I agree, the left is getting too left but the right has just gone crazy. I'll take democratic socialism over crazy any day but it is isn't my preference
 

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I agree, the left is getting too left but the right has just gone crazy. I'll take democratic socialism over crazy any day but it is isn't my preference
I wonder if countries with parliamentary systems have entire sections of the population being missrepresented. Also I wonder if the GOP will lead to there own undoing and another conservative party will emerge, or they will change in the future to start pleasing non racist conservatives again, or if they can sustain this racism and still survive.
 

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My problem with this stuff is this: There needs to be a conservative party in America to balance the libreral party. The Republican party seems to have changed from the conservative party to the nationalist/religionist party. If the Republicans do not correct soon it will be detrimental to our political balance. I'm probably a little right of center when it comes to my political beliefs. However, I cannot even vote my political beliefs because it's either racists or liberals.
FIFY...
 

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I wonder if countries with parliamentary systems have entire sections of the population being missrepresented. Also I wonder if the GOP will lead to there own undoing and another conservative party will emerge, or they will change in the future to start pleasing non racist conservatives again, or if they can sustain this racism and still survive.
I keep hoping for this. People like Kasich and Amash could reasonably introduce an ideologically conservative party, and Kasich at least has enough name recognition that he might conceivably gather enough support to actually make the debate stage. Yes, he would probably guarantee a Democratic victory in 2020 as the GOP vote gets split between racists and conservatives, but that's a cleansing that will need to happen at some point regardless.

America needs at least two functioning political parties. This current timeline with one center-left party and one insane party is not a stable state, and something will eventually have to give.
 

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I keep hoping for this. People like Kasich and Amash could reasonably introduce an ideologically conservative party, and Kasich at least has enough name recognition that he might conceivably gather enough support to actually make the debate stage. Yes, he would probably guarantee a Democratic victory in 2020 as the GOP vote gets split between racists and conservatives, but that's a cleansing that will need to happen at some point regardless.

America needs at least two functioning political parties. This current timeline with one center-left party and one insane party is not a stable state, and something will eventually have to give.
I think this will only happen after either of two things happen. When all of the elderly who have been shoving FOX new into their own brains die, or partisan gerrymandering becomes illegal.
 

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a gentle reminder that none of this is new. and one of our two parties has decided to completely embrace it.

'Blood on their hands': the intelligence officer whose warning over white supremacy was ignored
Daryl Johnson’s team faced an official backlash 10 years ago when it issued a briefing on rightwing extremism


Ten years ago, the Department of Homeland Security sent American law enforcement agencies an intelligence briefing warning of a rising threat of domestic rightwing extremism, including white supremacist terrorism.

The economic recession and the election of America’s first black president would create fertile ground for rightwing radicalization, the 2009 report concluded. Military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, in particular, would be attractive targets for recruitment.

Republican politicians and conservative pundits reacted with outrage and demanded a retraction. The report was politically motivated and unfairly demonized conservative views, they argued. “Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are,” the head of the American Legion, a veterans group, wrote.
 

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My problem with this stuff is this: There needs to be a conservative party in America to balance the libreral party. The Republican party seems to have changed from the conservative party to the nationalist party. If the Republicans do not correct soon it will be detrimental to our political balance. I'm probably a little right of center when it comes to my political beliefs. However, I cannot even vote my political beliefs because it's either racists or liberals.
Let's see...a choice between a liberal and a racist...what's a person of moral conviction supposed to do?

Things can be so complicated.
 

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Let's see...a choice between a liberal and a racist...what's a person of moral conviction supposed to do?

Things can be so complicated.
So here is the problem. I was only recently notified that some believe that the liberals are just as racist as the right. I'm not talking about "Hey Hillary said a thing about super predators, she is racist." I am talking about apparent systematic racism that at least equals that exhibited by the right.

Your comment seems to joke that it is really as black and white as picking between liberal policies or racist policies. But when the person making the choice believes that the real choice is between liberal racist policies, and plain ol' conservative racist policies, which one do you think a conservative is going to choose? In their mind, both are equally bad on the racism front, but at least one isn't killing babies.
 

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Let's see...a choice between a liberal and a racist...what's a person of moral conviction supposed to do?

Things can be so complicated.
Yes, when faced with that choice it's pretty easy to me to pick liberals. That was not my point though. My point was that should not be our only choice and there should not even be a racist party.
 

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Yes, when faced with that choice it's pretty easy to me to pick liberals. That was not my point though. My point was that should not be our only choice and there should not even be a racist party.
Or, if we have one, it should be a splinter party as in other developed countries, not a large minority party. What we have now is a minority government - in all three branches...
 

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So here is the problem. I was only recently notified that some believe that the liberals are just as racist as the right. I'm not talking about "Hey Hillary said a thing about super predators, she is racist." I am talking about apparent systematic racism that at least equals that exhibited by the right.

Your comment seems to joke that it is really as black and white as picking between liberal policies or racist policies. But when the person making the choice believes that the real choice is between liberal racist policies, and plain ol' conservative racist policies, which one do you think a conservative is going to choose? In their mind, both are equally bad on the racism front, but at least one isn't killing babies.
They often seem to prefer them alive in cages, separated from their families.

I kind of understand the twisted logic that says liberal policies are actually racist but in my mind trying to have a legitimate conversation with someone of that mindset is about like talking to someone who thinks the moon landing was staged.
 

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I've read another disturbing news report...an Iraqi was born in Greece, and was moved and raised here as an infant. He seems to have some mental problems, plus diabetes, but was able to make ends meet here. ICE decided to deport him to Iraq, a country he had never even visited, which spoke a language he did not know. Several months after his deportation, he's dead from an inability to get insulin.

Stuff like this make me ashamed it's being done in the name of the American public, but one of the worst aspects is... I wonder if the man's deportation is considered good or bad to Trump's base?
 
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I keep hoping for this. People like Kasich and Amash could reasonably introduce an ideologically conservative party, and Kasich at least has enough name recognition that he might conceivably gather enough support to actually make the debate stage. Yes, he would probably guarantee a Democratic victory in 2020 as the GOP vote gets split between racists and conservatives, but that's a cleansing that will need to happen at some point regardless.

America needs at least two functioning political parties. This current timeline with one center-left party and one insane party is not a stable state, and something will eventually have to give.
I was hoping that Kasich would primary Trump. I guess that was a foolish thought but I like to think that there are still enough real Republicans to dump Trump for someone fit and reasonable. Of course the radicals would have just labeled him a RINO
 
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I was hoping that Kasich would primary Trump. I guess that was a foolish thought but I like to think that there are still enough real Republicans to dump Trump for someone fit and reasonable. Of course the radicals would have just labeled him a RINO
There’s always Weld, I guess. But Trump will never agree to a primary debate, so he won’t get enough media attention to make a difference.
 

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I was hoping that Kasich would primary Trump. I guess that was a foolish thought but I like to think that there are still enough real Republicans to dump Trump for someone fit and reasonable. Of course the radicals would have just labeled him a RINO
Early on I had hoped Kasich would offer some kind of challenge to Trump, but apparently he was just a "news channel flash in the pan". As long as trump is in the WH the Republicans are going to sycophantly cower in the shadows.
 
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