Congrats GOP, this is who you now are

92tide said:

Inside the Secret Border Patrol Facebook Group Where Agents Joke About Migrant Deaths and Post Sexist Memes

according to this piece, there are approx. 9,500 members of this private group. there are approx. 20,000 border patrol agents in total.

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Kind of sounds like the FBI a few years ago. Right Peter Right?

bamamc1 said:

Oh no, it was a manufactured crisis. Hell, let them all in, give them free health care, a living wage. lol that’s what is being proposed. They have more rights according to them than US citizens. Let AOC, run the country. Lol

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1933, Germany: Lol, there are actually people proposing that juden aren’t vermin. They have more rights than pure Aryan stock German citizens according to these libtards. Hell we should definitely not put them into camps, lol, that’s what is actually being proposed.

Needs I say more:

https://cdn-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject....-obama-james-corden-dodgeball-1-super-169.jpg

bamamc1 said:

Needs I say more:

https://cdn-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject....-obama-james-corden-dodgeball-1-super-169.jpg

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no, you've been loud and clear.

deliveryman35 said:

It’s always fascinated me how quickly the narrative in politics can change. I swear that as short as two months ago all that I heard from one political party in this country ad nauseam ten times to Sunday every week was that there was NO CRISIS on the border—while now to hear the same exact people tell it, we’ve morphed into Nazi Germany.

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I’m not even sure what this type of argument style is called. It is the equivalence of saying something similar to “A few months ago people said there isn’t an issue with peanut butter allergies. And now those same people are saying that forcing everyone to wear hazmat suits on planes is a bit excessive.” The two statements while related, are not logical inconsistencies.

From immigrationforum.com:

immigrationforum.com said:

Are asylum seekers released before their immigration court hearings?
It depends. The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) requires all individuals seeking asylum at ports of entry to be detained. They remain in detention even after officials confirm their claims as credible, unless the officials decide the applicants are unlikely to flee and do not pose a safety threat. In addition, they must pay a bail, which they often cannot afford. If released, many asylum seekers are monitored by GPS ankle bracelets. Data show that 96 percent of asylum applicants show up to all their immigration court hearings.
If officials determine the applicants’ claims are not credible, the asylum seekers are ordered for “expedited removal” and do not receive an immigration court hearing.
Under prior administrations, immigration authorities regularly released migrants from custody while their cases were pending in the immigration court system. Those migrants were still required to check in with immigration authorities and attend hearings in immigration court. The Trump administration has modified these policies to release as few asylum seekers as possible. A recent federal court decision requiring case-by-case determinations as to whether asylum seekers pose a flight risk or threat to public safety is likely to lead to more releases pending their hearings.

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So, essentially why someone might say that there wasn’t a crisis, is that the previous administrations were able to deal with an influx of migrants because they didn’t make the choice to detain every asylum seeker, due to the majority not being flight risks. When I say majority, 96% of asylum seekers adhered to the process. It was the recent policy decision to house all asylum seekers until their hearing that caused there to be a massive overcrowding problem.

So the second statement is about the conditions surrounding how we house those immigrants. When our country chose to house all asylum seekers until their case could be heard in asylum court, there were serious ramifications. We now need far more detention facilities, and the current administration hasn’t adequately planned, nor budgeted for dealing with the consequences of their policy decision. Expecting the humane treatment of asylum seekers is not even tangentially related to believing that there is not a crisis on the border.

Making a statement that tries to correlate the two positions is at best disingenuous, and at worst willfully misleading.

UAH said:

UGLY AMERICANS - Never a better example than this!

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But that’s acceptable?

here is a link to the oig report on the manufactured crisis.

Management Alert –
DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding and Prolonged Detention of Children and Adults in the Rio Grande Valley

bamamc1 said:

Oh no, it was a manufactured crisis. Hell, let them all in, give them free health care, a living wage. lol that’s what is being proposed. They have more rights according to them than US citizens. Let AOC, run the country. Lol

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I get that you are making an argument by hyperbole but it seemed fun to try and run the numbers to see how much money was siphoned out of the system if they were released on their own recognizance versus the 750$ per day that has come out. Now in the interest of being transparent, that was a surge cost for housing the separated children. Regular immigrants and their children when not separated cost ~300$ per day from the same article.

No matter how you look at it, I’m pretty sure that the choice to house these asylum seekers at a cost of 126,000-315,000$ per detainee (14*30*300-14*30*750) is more than when the process released them into the country with an ankle monitor. This study indicates that it would cost only 2,614$ in 2012 to provide illegal immigrants Medicaid. This article indicates the range for public school per student ranges from 21,206-6,575$ per student. This study shows 8,075$ per illegal immigrant family member per year.

That is a lot of articles, all over the place on the actual cost, but even if you added them all up, it is far less than 126K per year for detention.

I’m more surprised that there aren’t more folks on the Republican side of the aisle wondering just how many friends of DJT are making bank fulfilling all these private detention center contracts.

Note: The 14 in the above calculation comes from this article that said in 2012 the average length of detention was 14 months.

bamamc1 said:

Needs I say more:

https://cdn-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject....-obama-james-corden-dodgeball-1-super-169.jpg

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Only if you want to look worse.

about that pending antifa acid attack we were informed of earlier this week. here is a thread on how that nonsense gets disseminated (and an awful lot of it winds up being posted here as "fact")

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1146234303610798080

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1146234303610798080/photo/1

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1146237893389762560

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1146237893389762560

i guess samuel rodriguez' attempted save for the administration yesterday is falling a little flat. after his article trying to discredit aoc, the oig report dropped, and now this.

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1146427173231824898

https://twitter.com/TPMLiveWire/status/1146427173231824898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1146427173231824898%7Ctwgr%5E393039363b74776565745f6d65646961&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkingpointsmemo.com%2Fnews%2Fborder-patrol-official-confirm-poor-conditions-migrant-detention-centers

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1148736181498261505

https://twitter.com/BoingBoing/status/1148736181498261505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1148736181498261505&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.balloon-juice.com%2F2019%2F07%2F09%2Fwatching-the-disinformation-being-made-and-distributed-iii-seth-rich-edition%2F

92tide said:

about that pending antifa acid attack we were informed of earlier this week. here is a thread on how that nonsense gets disseminated (and an awful lot of it winds up being posted here as "fact")

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1146234303610798080

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1146234303610798080/photo/1

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1146237893389762560

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1146237893389762560

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So LEO was informed, prepared and kept the masked antifascist fascist thugs from inflicting harm and destroying property...any rational person would consider that to be a good thing.

sabanball said:

So LEO was informed, prepared and kept the masked antifascist fascist thugs from inflicting harm and destroying property...any rational person would consider that to be a good thing.

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you will have to excuse me if i don't take your thoughts on rationality seriously.

TIDE-HSV said:

What the report alleges they were planning is so impossible, none of it can be taken seriously by anyone, except maybe someone eager to believe the impossible.

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That definitely include's Trump's base...

TIDE-HSV said:

What the report alleges they were planning is so impossible, none of it can be taken seriously by anyone, except maybe someone eager to believe the impossible. (And with a total ignorance of what muriatic acid is and how this cockamamie scheme might have been carried out.)

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Authorities ‘prepared’ for rival alt-right, antifa protests near White House

Two rival groups that violently clashed in Portland, Oregon, last weekend are expected at protests in D.C. on Saturday, and area law enforcement officials say they are ready.

“We are prepared. We do have intelligence units that work together to glean any information that we can prior to their arrival,” said Sgt. Eduardo Delgado, a spokesman for U.S. Park Police.

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Sgt. Delgado's statement directly opposes your position and subsequent validity as they were prepared for "something" based on information gathered and prior events in Portland. Being that as it may, whats to stop you from gladly taking the matter up with him so as to enlighten him as to his ignorance?

He can be reached here:

Sergeant Eduardo Delgado
Public Information Officer
1100 Ohio Drive, SW
Washington, DC 20024
(202) 619-7266

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/public-information-officer.htm

Kindly do the needful