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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    I absolutely oppose this. This is straight from the bookies mouth to the Big10 Athletic Director’s pen. I heard Mark Packer talking about it yesterday and he hit the nail on the head.

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Basically, if the Delany is for something, it's probably stupid.
    FIFY - The Big Ten was a major leader in this sport until we signed this boob. Also, this was proposed the day that the Supreme Court made their ruling by many groups. Now somehow it is the B1G that started this?

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Personally I think the NCAA is setting themselves up for a PR nightmare. Professional athletes waive their HIPPA with the fat contracts. If schools try to make athletes waive HIPPA to get a scholarship you will get another wave of “they need to be paid”.


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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    The NCAA likely cannot do this unilaterally. It will require a literal act of congress.
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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    The NCAA likely cannot do this unilaterally. It will require a literal act of congress.
    This requires the agreement of every individual player. There is no union, and there is no contract that includes this type of disclosure. They could change the terms of the scholarships, but that would take a long time and current players likely would not agree.

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    We need an NCAA fairness rule so that each team can be assured of being treated equally, whether Notre Dame or Texas Panhandle.
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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by RedWave View Post
    You realize that LV sets the line to try to get equal betting on both sides, right? I mean you are exactly correct that they are always going to set things up to where they will win, but they do not want a situation in which one team is bet more heavily than the other. It places them at great financial risk. What they want is both sides to be bet equally, then they just get the fees on all the bets. In table games and such, though, you are completely correct. Almost all of them are set up statistically to win for the house in the end if you play the game an infinite number of times.
    Yes...I had a good friend years ago who was a bookie and explained the system to me. However, over the long haul the odds are against you winning...but I get what you are saying.
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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by RedWave View Post
    It really doesn't change much at all. The betting was always there, but was more of the dirty little secret that everyone knew but didn't acknowledge. With the exception of the odd flyer Johnny Lunchbox makes on the Super Bowl now and then, I doubt there will be a huge increase in how much gambling people do because of this new law (or removal of a law). They will just be doing it through legal channels now instead of illegal bookies. The states will get their cut of the action, and life will move on. The market for the injury information will be more for the line setters' benefit than anything else. Remember, they want equal betting on both sides, so this will help them get that. Come to think of it, I might not want to be a bookie in the state of Alabama once it goes legal(though I doubt it will...only state around still without a lottery because they live in the stone age). People in Alabama are already football crazy, and if they decide to bet on football, you know many are going to bet on Alabama no matter who they are playing or the spread. When the line is high enough that the Bama betters lose, you would do well. But when Bama goes over, you would lose your shirt.
    30 years ago I heard an FBI agent talk about crime in Alabama -- we asked him about sports gambling. He said that Birmingham was the center of it at that time...but that the state leaders did not want to enforce laws against it so they just winked at it and went on -- probably due to the power people who were making money off it. Tulane shut down their basketball program over point shaving in 1985...the bets were placed in Birmingham according to him.

    Many people considered gambling a "victimless crime." A few years ago one of my best friends and a former athlete and coach at UA committed suicide. Shocked us all until we learned that he was in deep debt (gambling) to the wrong people -- people who hurt your family. No one had a clue...not even his wife or family.

    So, don't tell me that gambling is a victimless crime...I know better...and not because of my profession...but experience.

    I'm not sure legalized gambling will be any better...but we will see. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. I just hope there's a lot of light on the subject going forward...

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Legalized gambling is just legalized corruption any way you choose to slice that pie. In my opinion it will not deter point shaving, erroneous injury reports, etc. Just because it's legalized doesn't mean it's not crooked it just means it's harder to make arrests for that corruption. These college athletes will not be protected but further exposed. Just my $.02 worth.

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    The issue has nothing to do with simply divulging info to bookies or bettors. It has to do with the temptation for medical staff, admin staff, coaches, players, players' families and friends, etc. to divulge inside injury info to gamblers (house or bettors) for some kind of recompense. Either money or worse, affecting the outcome of a game. And you can bet that the potential for that has increased significantly this year.
    Not sure how it would affect the outcome of a game. The only person this affects is the bettor. Just because a trainer tells someone some inside info isnt going to change Bama beating someone or not. Lets not get it confused. The players have a legal right to privacy. I'd sue everyone and their brother that let my private info out. And if you think the players wouldn't care just ask Minkah how he felt about it.

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by Padreruf View Post
    30 years ago I heard an FBI agent talk about crime in Alabama -- we asked him about sports gambling. He said that Birmingham was the center of it at that time...but that the state leaders did not want to enforce laws against it so they just winked at it and went on -- probably due to the power people who were making money off it. Tulane shut down their basketball program over point shaving in 1985...the bets were placed in Birmingham according to him.

    Many people considered gambling a "victimless crime." A few years ago one of my best friends and a former athlete and coach at UA committed suicide. Shocked us all until we learned that he was in deep debt (gambling) to the wrong people -- people who hurt your family. No one had a clue...not even his wife or family.

    So, don't tell me that gambling is a victimless crime...I know better...and not because of my profession...but experience.

    I'm not sure legalized gambling will be any better...but we will see. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. I just hope there's a lot of light on the subject going forward...

    Sorry about my "preaching" this am...
    "FWIW" - One of my Aunts lived on the MS Gulf Coast. Her husband, my Uncle, was career military and worked as a civilian at Keesler AFB until he passed away. My Aunt was left in very good financial condition, but she was lonely. Fast forward about 6-7 years, and she died PENNILESS and deeply in debt. Her house and the Luxury car that were paid off when my Uncle passed, were both mortgaged to the full extent of their value.

    The "Villain" in the story? - LEGAL gambling at the casinos that cover the Gulf Coast. In her jewelry cabinet that had been filled with fine jewelry, all that we found was her STACK of Casino "Player club" cards.

    Just like Booze or Drugs, the statistics tell us that 5-10% of those who start gambling (whether legal or not), will have some level of difficulty controlling it, and some will be unable to control it at all.

    Just sayin' . . .

    I'm not in favor of ANY measure designed to help the gambling profession. And "IMO", that's 100% what's going on with this measure.

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFromBama View Post
    "FWIW" - One of my Aunts lived on the MS Gulf Coast. Her husband, my Uncle, was career military and worked as a civilian at Keesler AFB until he passed away. My Aunt was left in very good financial condition, but she was lonely. Fast forward about 6-7 years, and she died PENNILESS and deeply in debt. Her house and the Luxury car that were paid off when my Uncle passed, were both mortgaged to the full extent of their value.

    The "Villain" in the story? - LEGAL gambling at the casinos that cover the Gulf Coast. In her jewelry cabinet that had been filled with fine jewelry, all that we found was her STACK of Casino "Player club" cards.

    Just like Booze or Drugs, the statistics tell us that 5-10% of those who start gambling (whether legal or not), will have some level of difficulty controlling it, and some will be unable to control it at all.

    Just sayin' . . .

    I'm not in favor of ANY measure designed to help the gambling profession. And "IMO", that's 100% what's going on with this measure.
    If you ever want Bama to have a better than average baseball team then we are probably going to to need the lottery. So there is some good things that can come out of doing away with gambling bans. People who want to gamble are going to gamble, might as well keep the money in state when all 4 surrounding states have gambling.

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    Re: A national college football injury rprt may be coming soon if Big10 ADs get their

    Quote Originally Posted by TUSCALOOSAHONOR View Post
    Not sure how it would affect the outcome of a game. The only person this affects is the bettor. Just because a trainer tells someone some inside info isnt going to change Bama beating someone or not. Lets not get it confused. The players have a legal right to privacy. I'd sue everyone and their brother that let my private info out. And if you think the players wouldn't care just ask Minkah how he felt about it.
    Not sure how it would affect the outcome of a game? Well, how about an example?

    In the 2009/10 BCS NC game, Coach Saban HID a serious injury from the media, from the Bookies, from the fans - AND FROM TEXAS.

    QB Greg McElroy suffered Two Cracked Ribs late in the SECC Game vs. Florida. He couldn't even throw a pass prior to the NC game, and was Still in INTENSE PAIN during the NC game. If you remember, there were VERY FEW Passes downfield - NO "long bombs", and only 11 total attempts for 58 yards.
    Our Only Backup? A scrawny TRUE FRESHMAN named AJ McCarron, who was STILL not ready to play, even a year later when pressed into service at the end of the 2010 aubarn game. Though he did pan out ok two years later in the 2011 season.....

    NOW - Suppose this rule had been in effect, and Saban had been forced to report this injury publicly.

    DO you think that it MIGHT have affected how Texas chose to defend against our offense?

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