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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    Does Peterson have the recruiting skills it would take to compete here? I think that might be the bigger issue than just pure coaching ability.

    And I stick with my initial response. This is not a topic I like to have to think about. I hope the next coach after Saban hasn't even reached high school yet as of today.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    After Coach Saban coaches 10 more years, Gattis or Golding will be ready to take over.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    It will be a few years and I have no favorite right now. But the only thing I would really look at is does he understand Southern Football. Does he understand the passion of the SEC. I don't think Coach Saban ever coached in the South before he came to LSU, so it is not a requirement. Still, I would be looking at that part of the picture.
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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    At some point you'd have to give Chris Petersen a look.
    He's a great coach but also a west coast guy who is 53. So you're taking a bit of a risk on a guy who might not really be the best fit for the SEC. I'd like a guy like that a lot more in his early 40s, so he'd have more time to adjust. 53 is a win now hire. So, I'd look at Petersen more as a plan-b hire, but he could turn out to be a Les Miles type hire, good in some areas but lacking in others.

    Anyway, if it happened at this moment I would say Dabo, he has just about every possible tie to Alabama and he's a top 3 coach right now. Meyer isn't realistic, and to me Jimbo has too much baggage.

    Beyond that? I feel like it would take a crystal ball, there's no telling who the hot coach would be at the point in time in which the job becomes available. I mean I'd have said Jimbo when he was younger/before all the Winston nonsense and last year's horrible showing. Now he's 52, coming off his a season so horrible not only did he fail to finish it, but it was so bad that Alabama almost missed out on the playoffs thanks to his team sucking. Furthermore, the biggest star he'd produced is abusive and pretty much got away with it while he was at FSU. So... things can change.
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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q Basket Case View Post
    It's the offseason, so I thought I'd ask the board consensus:

    One day in the next few years, Nick Saban is going to head to the lake permanently. When that dark day comes, who's in your short list to replace him?

    Has to be somebody who would realistically come -- so Belichik (sp?) and Meyer are out. Smart, too.

    I'd make Dabo give me an answer, though I really don't think he'd come.

    After that, it's tough. There are no perfect candidates -- everybody has multiple weaknesses. But it's a whole lot easier to pick a candidate apart than it is to choose one.

    After Dabo, I'd go after Jimbo Fisher.

    Then Franklin at Penn State.

    Then Pruitt, assuming he does well at UT.

    Then Fuente at Va. Tech.

    Ater that, I'm out of ideas. What say you?
    Great and fun off season question, and it seems like it comes up on this board about every 8-12 weeks.

    So repeating more-or-less what I say every time - NO ONE can know what's in any other person's heart. Saban could win a NC this fall and decide he's accomplished all he wanted to accomplish, and retire. My sense (hope) is that he's not "Built" that way, and will coach as long as he's able to produce quality teams. I think he gets his greatest personal satisfaction out of the impact he has on his players and coaches, MORE SO than the outcome of games - even though he's relentless competitive about every snap of every game. (just my opinion)

    Coach Saban will turn 67 this October, the week of the LSux game. He looks great for 66 ! But when you pull out a video of, say, the 2009 or 2011 NC games, you can tell that time IS catching up to him, albeit slowly. NONE OF US is "Guaranteed" a another day on this earth, and any of us could go tomorrow - even Coach Saban. But just looking at it pragmatically - as good as his health and energy is at age 66 (and it's Excellent) there's no reason to think he doesn't have at least 4-5 more years "in the tank". I HOPE he coaches 10 more years! But my guess is that (Barring accident or major illness) he's with us 5-6 more seasons. That puts him at age 72 or 73, retiring at the end of either the 2023 or 24 seasons.

    Let's assume, for shoots and giggles, that he keeps on dominating the CFB world for Five more seasons, and goes out with a bang, winning the 2023 NC (his NINTH!). What MIGHT the landscape look like in December 2023?

    Bill Belichick will be 71 years old, and recently, but permanently, retired.
    Urban Myth will be 58 years old and will have coached ELEVEN years at Ohio $tate, and will likely already be (or quickly closing in) on becoming their all-time winning-est coach, behind only Woody Hayes, but with the best Winning % of any O$U coach.
    Dabo will be 54 years old, and will have coached FIFTEEN YEARS at Clempson - oh, and ALL of his kids will have gone to college and earned degrees at Clempson.
    Jimbo Fulmer will be 58 years old, and will Either have FIVE years under his belt at THE VERY WEALTHIEST school in the SEC - or he will have been recently fired. (My guess is the latter)
    James Franklin will be 51 years old, and will have coached TEN years at Ped State. He will Still be a Native of Pennsylvania, and Still have NO CONNECTION to the SEC save his three years in Nashville.
    Jeremy Pruitt will be 49 years old. He will EITHER have coached Five seasons at UcheaT and returned them to competitiveness, OR been recently fired, OR (my hope) moved on to a Better Job, either in the NFL or at a P-5 program (hopefully) outside the SEC.
    Justin Fuente will be 46 years old, and likely will have coached VaTech for Seven years. He will still have no connection to the SEC, either by birth, nor as a player or a coach.
    Chris Petersen will be 58 years old and finished Nine years at Washington - he's coached only ONE season east of the Rockies, and ZERO seasons anywhere close to the South. Not a likely candidate.
    MOST of the rest of the current P-5 HC's will have been fired by then.

    Reality is, Dabo and Meyer will likely be in the same boat - unless either of them flames out, both will be Living LEGENDS at their respective schools, and each of their schools will happily match and beat any financial offer Alabama could make.
    Kirby Smart might be in the same situation at UGa - but either way, he's not leaving his alma mater unless they fire him.
    Jimbo Fulmer will still be "Will Muschamp" with a better QB. IMO it's "Even Money" at best that he's still hanging on at aTm, and that's Assuming he's not caught in another Player RAPE controversy.
    Franklin and Fuente are both fine coaches, but neither will be motivated to gamble their personal legacies by following a LEGEND at Alabama - Both will realize that the odds aren't very good for coaches who immediately follow legends.

    What about other limbs on the "Saban Tree"? Ignoring the several good coaches who will be too old, who's left?
    Major Applewhite? Please......
    Will Muschamp? He and Jim McElwain are both "Damaged Goods" and barring a miracle, neither would get even a sniff from UA.
    Saban's NFL assistants? Garrett seems to be purely an NFL guy. Quinn coached a couple years, painfully, at UF (2011 & 12), so why would he want back into CFB? Gasse has the closest connections to Saban, but he hasn't coached in College since 2002. Any of these would be a longshot.
    Marion Cristobol? A great recrutier, but - lets be honest - a BUST as a position coach. They guy can be a great Recruting coordinator anywhere, but he doesn't but it as an actual coach.

    Best Bets? - IMO
    In no particular Order:
    Jeremy Pruitt - if he Blows it UP at UcheaT And takes a better HC job, (preferably outside the SEC), after the 2020 season - and does well at that job too.
    Tosh Lupoi OR Mike Locksley - IF either of them gets a HC job within the next two years AND wins big in that job.
    Billy Napier IF he blows it up big at ULL AND gets a P-5 job AND wins big there his first couple years.

    But frankly, I wouldn't bet money on any of those. IF it's 2023 or later, the guy we hire then probably isn't on anyone's radar yet.

    Just my opinions.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    I think someone else said this earlier but it would be fun if Kiffin grew up and came back as HC. I don't see any way that happens though.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    Saban disciples have a horrible track record and I think Bama will avoid the disciple thing this time around. I think itís more likely that someone like Dave Aranda leaves LSU and has success at a mid tier and is hired as the HC at Alabama than someone currently on our staff. I just think the Perkins lesson might have been learned
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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    #1. I do not think that Dabo follows CNS. I think that if whoever DOES follow CNS flounders that THEN CDS would come, but not to follow Coach Saban.
    #2. James Franklin has to be one of the very best coaches in America and he is a guy I would love to consider, but if he builds a legacy at PSU would he want to leave? I am going to say 'no'.
    #3. Pruitt has been set up for failure at UTK and he may not even make it three years up there. If they were stupid enough to hire Fulmer as AD then there's no telling what they'd do, but I don't see Pruitt getting a fair shake at proving himself.
    #4. No to NFL guys. No to ex-Tide players just because they are ex-Tide players.

    My substantial gut is telling me that what Coach would want would indeed be some guy like Golding and that's why I think these young guys were brought in here. Coach wants to show these coaches what it takes to win at the highest levels, the dedication and time it takes, and I think that's what he is doing. He is training one of these guys to take over his job ala Kirby Smart. And who is going to deny CNS if he wholeheartedly endorses his own candidate? My vote is for a Tide assistant who is on the staff when CNS decides to walk away.

    And then if it doesn't work out I think that Dabo will come home, even though he'd be thoroughly entrenched at Clemson at that point.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    It seems some are thinking we'll have to have "an interim" guy between CNS and the next big time guy. I reject this idea. No way we should not hire a completely capable coach who ready to win NC now. If Les Miles could do it with LSU's stocked pantry, I believe CNS's successor will be able to as well.

    Therefore, I don't see a guy "we don't know now" being CNS's successor. We gonna turn this tricked out sports car over to a guy who "shows up" and has 1 or 2 successful years somewhere without proving he can do it for years? Nah!

    I think the key is allowing CNS's successor to be "different" and do it his way, but it should be a proven way that has worked for him at another major school.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    Iíll say this, whoever we hire will have 5 years to run wild and be in position to win a championship regardless, but after that he is on his own.

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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    A lot can happen in the next 5+ years, some now considered may be still in the running, others may have gone the other way. The only one mentioned that I could not support is James Franklin. He is an arrogant, lecherous, without morals POS. If he were ever hired I would discontinue what small amount I contribute to the University and never attend a game as long as he is HC.
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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    This is almost impossible to make a guess at because the Top Coaches right now all have factors at play that would not make it ideal for them to come here. It almost will certainly be an 'Off the Radar' NOW coach. I mean here is the Creme right now:

    1) Urban Meyer - He has NO reason to leave tOSU and come here to follow a legend when he's a legend where he's at.

    2) Dabo - He's becoming a legend at Clemson and likely would not want to follow CNS. He doesn't bleed Crimson anymore.

    3) Jimbo - HIGHLY overrated coach imo. Has only achieved anything because of Winston and helped cover his RAPE case to win at all costs. Just a slimeball.

    4) Peterson - West Coast guy who has never shown any real interest in coming South or East.

    5) Patterson - Quality coach but already 58 and there is no reason to leave TCU. He might want the KSU job after Snyder.

    6) David Shaw - This is the Best Young coach out there imo but he's a Cardinal through and through.

    7) Kirby - LOL.... you can totally scratch this one off.

    8) Chip Kelly? - Just went to UCLA and is seen as a West Coast guy too

    9) Franklin - If Shaw isn't the best Young Coach it's this guy. He won at VANDY. Would he leave PSU??

    10) Riley - Just had a breakout 1st year at OU.... BIG12 guy.....no reason to leave.

    11) Scott Frost - Lands probably his dream job at Nebraska.... he's not leaving.

    That's all I can come up with for Top Tier young-ish Head Coaches out there. Beyond that you are looking at older guys and/or guys that don't have much of a Championship pedigree.

    Out of my list the 3 Main Guys I think are worth going after are Dabo, Shaw, and Franklin.

    I can't see Shaw leaving Stanford. I don't want Dabo here no matter how good he may be.

    I guess I'd go hard after James Franklin. He's rough around the edges and not likeable at all. But he's a Winner when it comes to coaching.

    If I had to really bet money on this or something I think it will be a CNS Staff Promotion or someone that's on nobody's radar right now.
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    Re: Offseason Question: When Saban Retires.....Who?

    Quote Originally Posted by tusks_n_raider View Post
    This is almost impossible to make a guess at because the Top Coaches right now all have factors at play that would not make it ideal for them to come here. It almost will certainly be an 'Off the Radar' NOW coach. I mean here is the Creme right now:

    1) Urban Meyer - He has NO reason to leave tOSU and come here to follow a legend when he's a legend where he's at.

    2) Dabo - He's becoming a legend at Clemson and likely would not want to follow CNS. He doesn't bleed Crimson anymore.

    3) Jimbo - HIGHLY overrated coach imo. Has only achieved anything because of Winston and helped cover his RAPE case to win at all costs. Just a slimeball.

    4) Peterson - West Coast guy who has never shown any real interest in coming South or East.

    5) Patterson - Quality coach but already 58 and there is no reason to leave TCU. He might want the KSU job after Snyder.

    6) David Shaw - This is the Best Young coach out there imo but he's a Cardinal through and through.

    7) Kirby - LOL.... you can totally scratch this one off.

    8) Chip Kelly? - Just went to UCLA and is seen as a West Coast guy too

    9) Franklin - If Shaw isn't the best Young Coach it's this guy. He won at VANDY. Would he leave PSU??

    10) Riley - Just had a breakout 1st year at OU.... BIG12 guy.....no reason to leave.

    11) Scott Frost - Lands probably his dream job at Nebraska.... he's not leaving.

    That's all I can come up with for Top Tier young-ish Head Coaches out there. Beyond that you are looking at older guys and/or guys that don't have much of a Championship pedigree.

    Out of my list the 3 Main Guys I think are worth going after are Dabo, Shaw, and Franklin.

    I can't see Shaw leaving Stanford. I don't want Dabo here no matter how good he may be.

    I guess I'd go hard after James Franklin. He's rough around the edges and not likeable at all. But he's a Winner when it comes to coaching.

    If I had to really bet money on this or something I think it will be a CNS Staff Promotion or someone that's on nobody's radar right now.
    I usually agree with your take on things, but do you really think a guy nobody really knows about now might be our coach in what could be 3 or 4 years from now? Even if it's 7 or 8 years?

    I think we probably are underestimating the lure of the Bama job. A guy who is a decent coach could follow CNS and win a NC in the first few years.

    I know some on your list probably wouldn't come, but I think some of them would have to deeply consider it. And BTW, I think Dabo will also bleed Crimson!

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