miami police actually forced to return seized cash

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it's not often you see them having to give it back

Miami police ordered to return $19,934 to stripper

The Miami-Dade Police Department was ordered to pay legal bills and return nearly $20,000 in cash to a 20-year-old stripper, The Miami Herald reported.

The department agreed to pay more than $3,000 in attorney fees to lawyers hired by Ras Cates, 33, and his wife, Lizmixell Batista, who is a stripper at Cheetah Gentleman’s Club in Hallandale Beach.
 

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Unless they have probably cause to believe you're using the cash to commit a crime, they should not be allowed to seize it, period. These seizure laws are complete bullcrap and indicative of the overly-policed country we live in.
 

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Unless they have probably cause to believe you're using the cash to commit a crime, they should not be allowed to seize it, period. These seizure laws are complete bullcrap and indicative of the overly-policed country we live in.
reading the details of the story, i was surprised they got it back. the police seemingly get a lot of leeway in these cases.
 

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They do, and it's a damn shame. Opens the door for all sorts of abuse.
not just abuse, it also causes police to show their real mission, revenue generation over public safety. Recall that about 10 years ago the police in Nashville (iirc, could be chatanooga but I know it was TN) were purposely pulling over suspected drug dealers on their way home rather than on their way in to town as they wanted to catch the money and not the drugs. Catching the drugs could arguably be seen to be a move that benefited the public, catching the cash did nothing but deprive some dealers of some cash
 

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I approve. Police have no business seizing anything without rock solid evidence of wrongdoing.
Situational question. If they bust a child porn ring and uncover $100k in bills. Do they leave it in the house? Or do they take it and hold it? If the cash has nothing to do with the porn ring do they give it back to the people?

Or would that be considered to be a part of the crime?

I do agree there are many situations where there is huge overreach.
 

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Situational question. If they bust a child porn ring and uncover $100k in bills. Do they leave it in the house? Or do they take it and hold it? If the cash has nothing to do with the porn ring do they give it back to the people?

Or would that be considered to be a part of the crime?

I do agree there are many situations where there is huge overreach.
Probable cause is a different standard by far than the reasonable suspicion currently required. PC and a hearing in a court of law should be the standard, not reasonable suspicion and an administrative hearing complete with a confusing and at times impossible to meet maze of requirements and regulations and deadlines.

ETA: Your money is presumed guilty until proven innocent. That is completely backward.
 

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Situational question. If they bust a child porn ring and uncover $100k in bills. Do they leave it in the house? Or do they take it and hold it? If the cash has nothing to do with the porn ring do they give it back to the people?

Or would that be considered to be a part of the crime?

I do agree there are many situations where there is huge overreach.
those bills are direct evidence of the crime being committed and should be held as evidence. I would want a hearing in front of a judge asap to allow the accused to make a case for the moneys return. I would also love to see a nationwide ban on allowing the police use of any confiscated funds. In this case in particular I'd want those dollars to go to the victims, absent a mechanism for that to happen I'd like any confiscated funds to go to women's and children s and local mental health charities providing that they are all inclusive
 

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Unless they have probably cause to believe you're using the cash to commit a crime, they should not be allowed to seize it, period. These seizure laws are complete bullcrap and indicative of the overly-policed country we live in.
I almost agree with you. I would have to add they could seize cash if they had probable cause to think it was generated from criminal activity. Then they would have to prove the crime and that the money was the result of that crime, or give it back.
 

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She isn’t that hawt. How does she make that much as a stripper?


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"I felt that the glitter on the seized cash was compelling evidence..."

Hahaha
 

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not just abuse, it also causes police to show their real mission, revenue generation over public safety. Recall that about 10 years ago the police in Nashville (iirc, could be chatanooga but I know it was TN) were purposely pulling over suspected drug dealers on their way home rather than on their way in to town as they wanted to catch the money and not the drugs. Catching the drugs could arguably be seen to be a move that benefited the public, catching the cash did nothing but deprive some dealers of some cash
I'm certain it was Nashville.
 

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those bills are direct evidence of the crime being committed and should be held as evidence. I would want a hearing in front of a judge asap to allow the accused to make a case for the moneys return. I would also love to see a nationwide ban on allowing the police use of any confiscated funds. In this case in particular I'd want those dollars to go to the victims, absent a mechanism for that to happen I'd like any confiscated funds to go to women's and children s and local mental health charities providing that they are all inclusive
The obvious answer. When the money doesn't end up in the pockets of the local LEOs to use for military-type toys, then the incentive to rob goes away...
 

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