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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    I vaguely remember what it was like before Fat Boy Feeeel dropped a warm fresh one in the wedding punch bowl. There was a lot of respect between the programs and fanbase. Now? The punch has soured and I don't mean soured into a good bourbon/whiskey.
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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    My stepfather claims UT as a second favorite team. My real father claims AU as a second favorite. I don't even really know how you can have one of those, especially among teams that play each other year. What, are you just hedging your bets for one of your tougher games of the year? I will say I do have a second, as I graduated from Troy State. Note this was before they dropped the State. Back then, they were, in the way I view it, what would today be an FCS team. So, not a rival of Bama and not even eligible to win the same title. Troy broke the deal by moving up, but are never a threat to Alabama, so I just pull for them to win what is in front of them.

    Back on the Tennessee thing. I had always thought of that as a healthy rivalry, and was hoping we could return to that after Fulmer left. But he isn't yet all the way gone, so I guess we wait and just keep on hating.

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    I'll put a little different spin on it.

    My love for the TSIO goes back to the late 70's and early 80's. It was a time when not many Bama games would be on TV, but you could count on this one. It signaled "autumn" had arrived. It was a contrast of the top two schools in the SEC, historically. And the contrasts in Crimson and Orange could not have been more unique, except in the peaceful harmony between the two in the fall foilage and in the stands of Neyland and Legion Field. It was a great rivalry!

    Here's where I differ with most: I still love love the rivalry. But it's despite what Fulmer and Kramer did. It's despite the fact that since the 80's we've both had times of being up and down. But having lived in Tennessee for several years, I think the people in east Tennessee are generally good people. Although they hate Alabama with the heat of 10,000 suns, they are generally good folks. I don't blame the average fan for what the dorks who tried to ruin the rivalry.

    Honestly, what the rivalry really needs is for CJP to bring the Vols back to life and, although we'll hate it, to occasionally have a good enough team to beat us and win the east. That's what the SECE needs and it will help the whole conference for Tennessee to be good again. And that's what will make this "rivalry" relevant again.

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    It was sheer and glorious beauty my friend. Of course, I'm assuming you know this and don't, but it was the SEC version of Alabama-Penn State. A lot of times you have Alabama fans whose "second favorite team" was Tennessee. It was like the civil war (not literally) in that two brothers would have a three-hour fist fight, the loser would raise the winner's hand, and they'd go have a beer afterwards. When Auburn beat us, there was resentment. When Tennessee beat us, there was respect.

    It was all a rivalry SHOULD be. It's what the Iron Bowl SHOULD be. The only thing that's been kind of similar lately is when the two Mississippi schools were ranked in the top five in 2014, and both were publicly rooting for each other (whatever was said behind the scenes).

    Coach Bryant respected Coach Neyland. His beef with Tennessee (small by comparison) might be because former Tide player Bill Battle was the Vols coach from 1970-76, and even though he never had a losing season and there were issues beyond his control, they fired him (granted, he was regressing record-wise). After all, Bryant would have had a thing with Tennessee going back through his time as Kentucky coach and on back to when he played as "the other end" to Don Hutson.

    It's gone, and it's never coming back. If Phil Fulmer would have beaten us on the up and up, it would be a gallant rivalry of respect. Hell, they beat us four years in a row (1982-85) and nary a word of protest from us. They were the better team at least three of those years. But Fulmer knew his job security depended on beating Alabama at least every so often (he'd watched Battle and Majors both get canned, hell, he stuck the knife in Majors's back and told him it was a massage).

    Incidentally, much of the bad blood between Florida and Tennessee (aside from their division rivalry) stems from the Vols voting in 1985 to strip Florida of their first-ever SEC title. The Gators DID win it on the field, but they opted to forego the Sugar Bowl, knowing severe sanctions were coming. In May 1985, the SEC had a vote and it was a 6-4 vote to strip Florida of the title and not recognize a champion in 1984. Florida, MSU, Alabama, and Auburn all voted to permit Florida to keep their crown. Tennessee voted against them, and given some of the crossover between the two schools (sort of like us with Clemson or ATM), this was considered a betrayal. After all, a Vols vote would have given Florida their first SEC title with a 5-5 decision (or at least forced it on Boyd McWhorter).
    Darn you, Selma! Wish I could say it better, but I can't!

    So I'll just pile on! - For my "nickel" - it was a rivalry, with "hatred", but it was "sports-hatred" if you get my drift; vs. the ACTUAL HATRED so many boogs have for The University. I'd call it "Grudging Respect". If you consider, Foulmer stuck his knife in Johnny Majors' back in 1991/92 ? if memory serves. UP to that point, there were TWO clear "Top" programs in the SEC, and no one else was really even close - #1 Alabama and #2 Tennessee. Up to that time, the UA-UT game was usually the biggest SEC game of the year, and had decided MORE SEC TITLES than any other rivalry.

    aubarn was like your obnoxious little brother who constantly tried to make your life miserable. Sure, you never wanted to lose to that PEST. But Tennessee was the kid across the street who could legitimately match up to you, step for step. Beating THAT guy MEANT SOMETHING. I think the UA-PSU rivalry of the 1980's is a pretty good analog - A worthy opponent that deserved respect, and Alabama earnest wanted, not just to win the game, but to BEAT that opponent every time we played.

    Trivia - UT fans are quick to tell us that Bryant never beat Neyland. And that's true. But what the WON'T tell you is that Bryant only faced Neyland when Bryant was coaching UK. Neyland retired after the 1952 season, so Neyland never played a Bryant-coached Alabama team.

    FWIW, I really hate what foulmer did to this once great rivalry, and "IMO" UT fans deserve EVERY BIT of the "Karma" they've been going through for years now. It won't break my heart if we beat them every year for the next 100 years.

    But "Once upon a time" it was indeed a fine and glorious rivalry!!!!

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    We can all blame Fulmer if we want to but the majority of the issues were Alabama's own self inflicted problems and mis-management of the program from the time Coach Bryant retired till the hiring of Coach Saban. We did manage to win at a very high level when Coach Stallings was here but still were a lot of problems under the surface during his time.

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiderMan View Post
    We can all blame Fulmer if we want to but the majority of the issues were Alabama's own self inflicted problems and mis-management of the program from the time Coach Bryant retired till the hiring of Coach Saban. We did manage to win at a very high level when Coach Stallings was here but still were a lot of problems under the surface during his time.
    True, but Kramer and Phatimus should never have done what they did...

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiderMan View Post
    We can all blame Fulmer if we want to but the majority of the issues were Alabama's own self inflicted problems and mis-management of the program from the time Coach Bryant retired till the hiring of Coach Saban. We did manage to win at a very high level when Coach Stallings was here but still were a lot of problems under the surface during his time.
    Everyone has to own their part of the wrong doing. But if Fat Feeel was truly interested in turning in folks for the sake of the integrity of the sport he would have "turnt in" himself. Because if my memory serves me correctly time has uncovered that his closet was full of little dirties around the same time and continued long after Alabama's little dirties got revealed.
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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    "Well, Eli, these Tennessee folks are really giving it to our boys down here, they hate us. But by God, I hate them too. Back to you, Eli."

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    That's the way most of us felt from the 60's until today.

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson White View Post
    Oh, so your FIL was an Alabama fan? I had wondered what connection you had to UA, because you're obviously more knowledgeable about our program than most fans that might consider UA a 2nd favorite team or whatever.

    For what it's worth, I like Ohio State pretty good too, or at least I respect their program. Course, I generally like Michigan ok too (not wild about Harbaugh), and I realize that's like saying you like Alabama and Auburn. Kind of mutually exclusive.
    My FiL and my wife went to Alabama (among a number of their family). Her family is from north Alabama - the Decatur/Huntsville area.

    You couldn't get to know my FiL and/or my wife and not appreciate their love for Alabama - the state and the University.

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    The Bama-Tennessee game was considered THE game that most represented the SEC. The traditionally two best teams squared off on the third saturday in October each year. Both teams knew this game was a good measure of where they stood.

    The rivalry was known nationally for being very respectful (though intense). This continued into the first several years of Fulmer. Until he secretly worked with Cramer to catch Bama in Memphis. I have to say that Bama was not innocent in this whole affair, so it could have been avoided. What makes Bama fans mad is that Tennessee was able to skate with the NCAA on several issues ( ie phone cards and paying Tee Martin) while Bama was hammered for unproven payments by a booster.

    The rivalry was starting to decline somewhat because of divisional play. I doubt it will ever be the same.

    I hope we keep beating them forever!!
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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    During night games, you could actually see the moon.

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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    [QUOTE=Crimson White;3235766]Well, I think I remember reading that Coach Bryant said something to the effect of "You don't know how good you are till you play Tennessee" . That seems like respect to me, which is what I mean. I'm not sure if I hate Tennessee and Auburn, but I sure don't like either of them.

    It was actually the other way around. It was Neyland who said you could never measure a player until he played against Alabama.

    The interesting thing that goes way back in my early childhood outside of the South was always picking up on the energy of the Alabama-Tennessee game without ever watching one. The sports pages and the TV commentators always made the game seem different. Almost exotic. Then my family moved to North Alabama, and there were Vol fans all over the Shoals. The first Tennessee game was the '66 squall in Knoxville with Dewey Warren and Kenny Stabler, and Stabler and the defense leading an inevitable comeback, and Warren bringing Tennessee back down the field for a chip shot, and a kid from Heflin duck-hooking his kick worse than anything we saw in last year's National Championship game.

    Any whitewash about Bryant's feelings was stripped away by the acidity of his post-game comments. "If he had kicked it straight, we would have blocked it." Can you imagine what the Vols must have thought?

    This is a long way of saying that, in my experiences, what drove the game was a combination of respect and hate. Fulmer changed the proportions of the ingredients. But given the times, they would have changed anyway.
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    Re: What was the third Saturday in October like before Fulmer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Everyone has to own their part of the wrong doing. But if Fat Feeel was truly interested in turning in folks for the sake of the integrity of the sport he would have "turnt in" himself. Because if my memory serves me correctly time has uncovered that his closet was full of little dirties around the same time and continued long after Alabama's little dirties got revealed.
    Which is the exact reason he commandeered the spotlight and directed to Tuscaloosa. And the fact that Kramer turned a blind eye to Knoxville and assisted in the debacle continues to this day making me JUST HATE ORANGE!!!!
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