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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    1st - dont park illegally in handicap spots
    2nd - if you do, dont make things worse by arguing with someone who calls you out about it, You were wrong, move
    3rd - dont walk up to someone and violently shove them down to the pavement
    4th - dont shoot someone who appears to be backing up

    The shooter severely over reacted. Whether race was involved or not is impossible to tell and we dont have audio to hear the exchange between the mother and the shooter. We also dont know what was said as father backed up a bit after shoving the guy to the ground. From the way I heard the Fla law explained on TV this morning I doubt the shooter will be charged. If I were the shooter however, I would be absolutely devastated with the results, legal or not.
    you really do get to the root of the problem
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    I suspect one big difference here is the girl realized she was wrong, backed down eventually and left. If the mother in the shooting video had simply said sorry and moved, the father would still be alive. However with no audio we can not tell how the shooting video became a heated verbal exchange that led to a physical confrontation.
    it's pretty sad trying to blame this on the lady in the car.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    I may have been too obscure in my explanation of the Florida law. The SYG statute in Florida actually has a "reasonable man" standard like Alabama's. Here's the pertinent section:

    Deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.


    Note the words "reasonably believes." For whatever reason, Florida has stretched the "reasonably" to scandalous lengths. One man was shot in the back of his head as he left the fight. No other state has construed the SYG laws as Florida has. Google "Florida stand your ground" cases, and you'll see what I mean...
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    1st - dont park illegally in handicap spots
    2nd - if you do, dont make things worse by arguing with someone who calls you out about it, You were wrong, move
    3rd - dont walk up to someone and violently shove them down to the pavement
    4th - dont shoot someone who appears to be backing up

    The shooter severely over reacted. Whether race was involved or not is impossible to tell and we dont have audio to hear the exchange between the mother and the shooter. We also dont know what was said as father backed up a bit after shoving the guy to the ground. From the way I heard the Fla law explained on TV this morning I doubt the shooter will be charged. If I were the shooter however, I would be absolutely devastated with the results, legal or not.
    Great post and spot on....

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    it's pretty sad trying to blame this on the lady in the car.
    I agree....plenty of blame to go around.

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    I agree....plenty of blame to go around.
    the blame for the death lies solely with the shooter.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    it's pretty sad trying to blame this on the lady in the car.
    True and that was not my intent. Simply stating the overlooked obvious, it started there and for various (unknown yet) reasons escalated quickly.

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    If the mother in the shooting video had simply said sorry and moved, the father would still be alive.
    I had someone pull up next to me a few months back in Alex City and tell me I needed to move my car because I was parked in a handicap spot. The thing was, I was next to a handicap spot but not in the handicap spot. But being questioned on it at all caused me a about a minute of pure confusion on why these people were even talking to me in the first place.

    Because I didn't simply say sorry and move doesn't mean that it would have been my fault if that lead to someone being shot.

    The man in this video is not a traffic cop. If he wanted to say something and then move on then fine, but he has no business standing there harassing someone.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    True and that was not my intent. Simply stating the overlooked obvious, it started there and for various (unknown yet) reasons escalated quickly.
    with all due respect, the "overlooked obvious" is being "overlooked" for a reason. it doesn't matter. this guy created the situation (and this is apparently not a new thing for him), escalated it, someone pushed back, then he used deadly force to get himself out of it.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    True and that was not my intent. Simply stating the overlooked obvious, it started there and for various (unknown yet) reasons escalated quickly.
    Looking at the big picture (again)....there are people in society who when given a choice....choose to escalate rather than diffuse.

    It really says a lot abut someone's personality and demeanor.
    Life is all about choices.....

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    There are 2 separate thread lines here that are getting blurred. The legal and the moral.

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    the blame for the death lies solely with the shooter.
    Legally, this is correct. Trying to bring in factors like where the car was parked, the wife's reaction, etc., are engaging in "but for" thinking, which can be carried to illogical extremes, rather than proximate causation...
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    Looking at the big picture (again)....there are people in society who when given a choice....choose to escalate rather than diffuse.

    It really says a lot abut someone's personality and demeanor.
    Life is all about choices.....
    so you are now going to lecture us on the personality and demeanor of the lady in the car and the guy who tried to defend her?

    part of being a responsible gun owner is not escalating dumb crap like this while you are carrying
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