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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    There are 2 separate thread lines here that are getting blurred. The legal and the moral.
    just speaking for me, in this situation, both are pretty clear.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    so you are now going to lecture us on the personality and demeanor of the lady in the car and the guy who tried to defend her?

    part of being a responsible gun owner is not escalating dumb crap like this while you are carrying
    I was talking about how some people seem to enjoy conflict - and thus are those who tend to escalate.

    Others tend to pick and choose their battles. In most cases they defer to 'cooler heads prevail' type of thought pattern.

    Say some rival fan ridicules the Crimson Tide football team. Do you:

    1. Get all up in their grill?

    2. Point to the scoreboard?

    I like option #2

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    with all due respect, the "overlooked obvious" is being "overlooked" for a reason. it doesn't matter. this guy created the situation (and this is apparently not a new thing for him), escalated it, someone pushed back, then he used deadly force to get himself out of it.
    To you earlier post about expensive penis enlargement tool: If he did not possess a deadly weapon he may simply have said "you shouldn't have parked in the handicapped spot" She might have replied "Sorry my husband / boy friend will be right out" and it would have ended right there. Instead he felt empowered to be abusive and then use deadly force when the man responded to his belligerence. This creates such a very dangerous environment from those who feel somehow empowered and seek out circumstances that would allow them to demonstrate their newly gained manhood!

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    I was talking about how some people seem to enjoy conflict - and thus are those who tend to escalate.

    Others tend to pick and choose their battles. In most cases they defer to 'cooler heads prevail' type of thought pattern.

    Say some rival fan ridicules the Crimson Tide football team. Do you:

    1. Get all up in their grill?

    2. Point to the scoreboard?

    I like option #2
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Illegal parking in handicapped spots is a pretty big deal with many folks......if you've ever been disabled...I expect you would have a unique perspective.

    Personally...I always park as far away as possible from any business entrance. More than anything I look for shade!


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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    just speaking for me, in this situation, both are pretty clear.
    Maybe the explanation I heard earlier was erroneous but if it is true the shooter may never be charged but if he is, probably not convicted.

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    Maybe the explanation I heard earlier was erroneous but if it is true the shooter may never be charged but if he is, probably not convicted.
    i think earle's posts hit on that a bit.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Two lessons here:
    1- anyone who is that fearful shouldn't be carrying a firearm. I'm a big proponent of 2A, but this is ridiculous - if the man is that big of a 'pansy' that he's in fear for his life because someone shoved him (and wasn't even continuing to attack him), he's no man.
    2- don't put your hands on someone without expecting retaliation. There are 'pansies' like I mentioned above as well as unstable people - neither of those are going to respond normally to getting shoved, grabbed, etc. The 'pansy' night have been yelling at the guy's girlfriend, but nothing about his body language was threatening, so shoving him was unnecessary escalation.

    The shooter should not have shot the guy from what I can see, but I also cannot see anything that makes me think the boyfriend had any reason to lay his hands on the man.

    Such an easily avoidable situation...
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    No matter your position, this is sad and unnecessary. Prior to any confrontation the shooter had the option to mind his own business. She parked illegally and I get that but there are people being paid to enforce the law and he did not appear to be in that camp. Even if someone is breaking a traffic law there it isn't a good idea for a man to confront a lady in a rude manner. At least that's how I was raised.

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by bama_wayne1 View Post
    No matter your position, this is sad and unnecessary. Prior to any confrontation the shooter had the option to mind his own business. She parked illegally and I get that but there are people being paid to enforce the law and he did not appear to be in that camp. Even if someone is breaking a traffic law there it isn't a good idea for a man to confront a lady in a rude manner. At least that's how I was raised.
    Couldn't agree more......

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    Quote Originally Posted by bama_wayne1 View Post
    No matter your position, this is sad and unnecessary. Prior to any confrontation the shooter had the option to mind his own business. She parked illegally and I get that but there are people being paid to enforce the law and he did not appear to be in that camp. Even if someone is breaking a traffic law there it isn't a good idea for a man to confront a lady in a rude manner. At least that's how I was raised.
    There was no sound in the video but you could tell by the other patrons' reaction the guy was yelling. Two of the patrons who pulled up toward the security camera immediately turned their heads that direction when exiting their car. That tells me the guy was yelling. You start yelling at someone's wife and I'm sorry. You're basically holding up a sign that reads "PUNCH MY LIGHTS OUT!!!". One reaction would have never occurred if it weren't for another person's actions. Did the deceased do the "right thing"? Probably not, but the rules drastically change when you start screaming at another man's wife. Much like when you start messing with someone's child. Protective instincts start to kick in. There's no way the distribution of responsibility is equal in this situation. Not even close.
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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    my thoughts exactly bamabuzzard

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    Re: FL's Stand Your Ground Law Strikes Again

    I couldn't really tell the race of either man from the video and really don't care.

    Not a fan of people who park in handicapped spots without a sticker but I'm not one to get worked up over it. Yes, it is wrong, but there are bigger problems in the world for me to worry about. (Will Jalen or Tua start the first game is one such concern of mine).

    Unless that guy had a handicapped person with him and every other spot was full, he needed to butt out.

    The victim was defending his girlfriend from being yelled at.

    I agree the guy should be charged with something. Not murder, as this wasn't planned, but at least manslaughter.

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