And as far as stats go, Tua has racked up his in most games in 1½ quarters of play. I haven't checked, but I think it took Murray more than that to compile his stats. Had Tua played the same length of time as Murray against Big 12 defenses, he'd be way ahead.I'd argue that Tua's stats would be as good or better than Murray's if he played against Big 12 defenses every week. Iowa State leads the Big 12 in total defense but there are currently 5 SEC team defenses ranked higher than Iowa State's defense. Tua also has proven he can handle pressure and lead a team to a National Championship while it is still unknown if Murray could do the same.
How is the defense helping Tua? Yes, it is helping Alabama, but how is it helping Tua? We are talking about an individual award here. Being in the Big 12 helps Murray because it helps his individual stats. Even if OU were undefeated right now, Tua would still be the runaway leader - and it has nothing to do with the Alabama defense.D's in the Big 12 don't stat. well because O's in the Big 12 do. No conference has the overall fire power the Big 12 does. I'm not saying Tua is better or worse he just has more help from his D.
Yep, and that help from the defense diminishes his pure statistics. Tua in a shootout would undoubtedly put up Grier or Murray numbers.D's in the Big 12 don't stat. well because O's in the Big 12 do. No conference has the overall fire power the Big 12 does. I'm not saying Tua is better or worse he just has more help from his D.
I'd argue that throwing against air vs throwing against real defenses means it's much tougher for Tua to rack up the numbers he has.D's in the Big 12 don't stat. well because O's in the Big 12 do. No conference has the overall fire power the Big 12 does. I'm not saying Tua is better or worse he just has more help from his D.
I am sad because i eat and i eat because im sad.D's in the Big 12 don't stat. well because O's in the Big 12 do. No conference has the overall fire power the Big 12 does. I'm not saying Tua is better or worse he just has more help from his D.
If it were true that offenses were that much better in the Big 12 than the SEC, wouldnt the big 12 have won.... like... any national titles at all since the Bush administration?D's in the Big 12 don't stat. well because O's in the Big 12 do. No conference has the overall fire power the Big 12 does. I'm not saying Tua is better or worse he just has more help from his D.
If it were true that offenses were that much better in the Big 12 than the SEC, wouldnt the big 12 have won.... like... any national titles at all since the Bush administration?
That dude went to my high school. Hard to believe you can make a career purely from commercials but he did it. Along with those stupid Sonic guys.
Take away all of Murrary's 4th quarter stats and then compare them to Tua's . Tua has thrown all of one pass in the 4th quarter all year. That would be interesting.
Thanks for the break down... I think the Tua rushing numbers for the 4th quarter may not be right. I don't think he ran it 10 times in the 4th qtr against LSURaw Stats:
-- Tua --
Passing: 164 of 237 (69.2%) for 2865 yards, 31 TDs, 2 INT, 212.22 Passer Rating
Rushing: 41 for 184 yards, 4 TDs
-- Murray --
Passing: 196 of 279 (70.3%) for 3310 yards, 34 TDs, 6 INTs, 205.82 Passer Rating
Rushing: 104 for 739 yards, 10 TDs
Second half plus overtime:
-- Tua --
Passing: 34 of 53 (64.2%) for 601 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 186.77 Passer Rating
Rushing: 10 for 73 yards, 2 TDs
-- Murray --
Passing: 65 of 104 (62.5%) for 1175 yards, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 189.71 Passer Rating
Rushing: 48 for 324 yards, 5 TDs
Fourth quarter plus overtime:
-- Tua --
Passing: 1 of 1 (100%) for 24 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 301.60 Passer Rating
Rushing: 10 for 73 yards, 2 TDs
-- Murray --
Passing: 23 of 32 (71.9%) for 303 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs, 202.98 Passer Rating
Rushing: 19 for 231 yards, 3 TDs
So, it seems that Murray, at least somewhat similarly to Tua, has gotten the majority of his stats in the first half but not nearly as high a percentage as Tua. Give Tua equal second half passing and rushing attempts to Murray and - assuming he maintains his numbers, and there's absolutely no reason to think he wouldn't have against the overmatched competition - his raw numbers would be significantly higher than Murray's.
Also, think about this: the vast majority of Tua's second-half snaps have come against two Top 10 in the nation passing defenses.
Meanwhile, Murray hasn't faced a single Top 40 in the nation passing defense.
Second half plus overtime:
-- Tua --
Passing: 34 of 53 (64.2%) for 601 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 186.77 Passer Rating
Rushing: 10 for 73 yards, 2 TDs
-- Murray --
Passing:
Rushing:
Second half plus overtime:
-- Tua --
Passing: 34 of 53 (64.2%) for 601 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 186.77 Passer Rating
Rushing: 10 for 73 yards, 2 TDs
-- Murray --
Passing:
Rushing:
You're right. Copy and paste issues. It's fixed, now.Thanks for the break down... I think the Tua rushing numbers for the 4th quarter may not be right. I don't think he ran it 10 times in the 4th qtr against LSU
It could but OU is going to lose to WVU and this will end the debate. You don't give Heisman's to the best 7-on-7 league QB and that is what the Big 12 is.If I were a voter I would have a tough time. I think the biggest knock on Murray is his 2 TOs vs Texas both of which lead to points IIRC.
I think Tua is probably going to win it but these next 2 games could be enough to swing it one way or the other depending on how they play out.