Tua's Heisman Campaign watch

KrAzY3 said:

I find it amazing that people can have a conversation about Murray and the stats he is putting up and just completely ignore the fact that the previous Oklahoma quarterback threw for 4627 yards and 43 TDs last season.

Are we all really to believe that the Big 12 offenses and the system Oklahoma is running doesn't account for a decent portion of the production we're seeing? C'mon... Murray wouldn't do this against the SEC and Mayfield wouldn't have put up those kind of numbers either. How do I know this? Mayfield's numbers last year would have broken the single season passing yardage record and put him second in TDs. Big 12? He was 6th in single season TDs and 12th in passing yards.

Anyone who can't tell the difference between what Tua faces and what Murray faces doesn't understand football.

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TiderJack said:

It could but OU is going to lose to WVU and this will end the debate. You don't give Heisman's to the best 7-on-7 league QB and that is what the Big 12 is.

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BayouBama75 said:

Take away all of Murrary's 4th quarter stats and then compare them to Tua's . Tua has thrown all of one pass in the 4th quarter all year. That would be interesting.

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uafan4life said:

Raw Stats:

-- Tua --
Passing: 164 of 237 (69.2%) for 2865 yards, 31 TDs, 2 INT, 212.22 Passer Rating
Rushing: 41 for 184 yards, 4 TDs

-- Murray --
Passing: 196 of 279 (70.3%) for 3310 yards, 34 TDs, 6 INTs, 205.82 Passer Rating
Rushing: 104 for 739 yards, 10 TDs


Second half plus overtime:

-- Tua --
Passing: 34 of 53 (64.2%) for 601 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 186.77 Passer Rating
Rushing: 10 for 73 yards, 2 TDs

-- Murray --
Passing: 65 of 104 (62.5%) for 1175 yards, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 189.71 Passer Rating
Rushing: 48 for 324 yards, 5 TDs


Fourth quarter plus overtime:

-- Tua --
Passing: 1 of 1 (100%) for 24 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 301.60 Passer Rating
Rushing: 0 for 0 yards, 0 TDs

-- Murray --
Passing: 23 of 32 (71.9%) for 303 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs, 202.98 Passer Rating
Rushing: 19 for 231 yards, 3 TDs


So, it seems that Murray, at least somewhat similarly to Tua, has gotten the majority of his stats in the first half but not nearly as high a percentage as Tua. Give Tua equal second half passing and rushing attempts to Murray and - assuming he maintains his numbers, and there's absolutely no reason to think he wouldn't have against the overmatched competition - his raw numbers would be significantly higher than Murray's.

Also, think about this: the vast majority of Tua's second-half snaps have come against two Top 10 in the nation passing defenses.

Meanwhile, Murray hasn't faced a single Top 40 in the nation passing defense.

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cmmiller711 said:

In case anyone was wondering


NCAA all time single season pass efficiency list as of today

1 Tua 212.2
2 Kyler Murray 205.8
3 Baker Mayfield (2017) 198.9
4 Baker Mayfield (2016) 196.4
5 Russell Wilson (2011) 191.8

It really is a shame that only one of these guys can win the heisman.

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KrAzY3 said:

I see three seasons put up by system guys (good of course) and then two truly great quarterbacks.

Besides that, c'mon. Oklahoma has 6 Heisman winners. Three of those have been quarterbacks. Guess how many of their quarterbacks played in a Super Bowl? None (unless we're giving them credit for Troy Aikman). Alabama QBs have been in 4 Super Bowls and won all of them. The truth is it's a travesty that Alabama has never had a QB win the Heisman. The shameful thing would be Oklahoma winning back to back Heisman trophies because the situation there is more conducive to putting up big numbers.

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uafan4life said:

Raw Stats:

-- Tua --
Passing: 164 of 237 (69.2%) for 2865 yards, 31 TDs, 2 INT, 212.22 Passer Rating
Rushing: 41 for 184 yards, 4 TDs

-- Murray --
Passing: 196 of 279 (70.3%) for 3310 yards, 34 TDs, 6 INTs, 205.82 Passer Rating
Rushing: 104 for 739 yards, 10 TDs


Second half plus overtime:

-- Tua --
Passing: 34 of 53 (64.2%) for 601 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 186.77 Passer Rating
Rushing: 10 for 73 yards, 2 TDs

-- Murray --
Passing: 65 of 104 (62.5%) for 1175 yards, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 189.71 Passer Rating
Rushing: 48 for 324 yards, 5 TDs


Fourth quarter plus overtime:

-- Tua --
Passing: 1 of 1 (100%) for 24 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 301.60 Passer Rating
Rushing: 0 for 0 yards, 0 TDs

-- Murray --
Passing: 23 of 32 (71.9%) for 303 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs, 202.98 Passer Rating
Rushing: 19 for 231 yards, 3 TDs


So, it seems that Murray, at least somewhat similarly to Tua, has gotten the majority of his stats in the first half but not nearly as high a percentage as Tua. Give Tua equal second half passing and rushing attempts to Murray and - assuming he maintains his numbers, and there's absolutely no reason to think he wouldn't have against the overmatched competition - his raw numbers would be significantly higher than Murray's.

Also, think about this: the vast majority of Tua's second-half snaps have come against two Top 10 in the nation passing defenses.

Meanwhile, Murray hasn't faced a single Top 40 in the nation passing defense.

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RollTide_HTTR said:

In basically any other year Murray or Tua would be the obvious Heisman winner and probably break records in margin of victory. It just so happens that these guys are doing it in the same season. Tua is, IMHO, clearly the more advanced passer and future NFL player of the 2. But Kyler Murray has been amazing and is clearly more of a threat as a runner.

IMO, Tua probably wins unless he has 2 Mississippi State type games to close out the season while Murray has a couple big games(winning both). But I also think its going to be a lot closer than many originally thought.

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techster79 said:

I know historically we are weak on Heisman winners, but since 2007 and if we win this year...look at the dominance!!!

3 - Alabama: 2009, 2015, 2018
2 - Oklahoma: 2008, 2017
1 - Florida: 2007
1 - *Auburn: 2010 - shouldn't this one be disqualified ala Reggie Bush?
1 - Baylol: 2011
1 - Texas A&M: 2012 - we should get credit for this as Johnny doesn't win this one if we don't start slow
1 - *Florida State: 2013 - see Auburn
1 - Oregon: 2014
1 - Louisville: 2016

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RTR91 said:

Haven't read the entire thread, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. Anyone notice OU's Heisman campaign for Murray?

They are even using "Kyler knows."

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bamabelle1991 said:

The fact that Kyler Murray has a multi-million dollar contract to play pro baseball and is still considered an "amateur" for college football really gets my blood boiling. I get that his conference allows it, but there is NO way he and his agent haven't discussed him playing in the NFL, too. This would make him automatically ineligible for college football. The NCAA needs a rule on this that trumps individual conference rules. It is either allowed in all conferences or none. When the starting QB makes more money than your head coach, there is a problem. Kyler Murray is not an amateur athlete if he is being paid to play another sport. UGH. <rant over> Oh, and he will never be Bo Jackson.

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