And more importantly, Tua has played real defenses. His numbers would be astronomical if he played the powder puff defenses Murray faces week in and out...
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That wouldnt matter....if Murray played more minutes in the 3rd vs Tua who has barely seen playing time in the third. What we need is total amount of time played then compare amount of tds and yards.
Here's a terrifying set of statistics: Alabama ranks 95th nationally in pass attempts per game (27.9), but seventh in passing yards per game (328), second in passing touchdowns (38) and first in yards per pass attempt (11.8).— Josh Vitale (@JoshVitale) November 21, 2018
Just unreal.
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I already covered why head to head stat comparisons are pure nonsense in this case.
Let me give another example though. Let's take AJ McCarron as an example. He had a lot of overlap in terms of when he and when Landry Jones played.
We all know AJ was a very good quarterback for Alabama, a record breaking one in fact. He was drafted in the 5th round, Jones was drafted in the 4th. AJ has thrown for 928 yards in the NFL, Jones has thrown for 1,310 yards. AJ has a rating of 92.4, Jones has a rating of 86.2. If there is an argument to be made that Jones is a better quarterback, it would be that he's marginally better.
Well... here's the college stats.
Landry Jones in four years as a starter had 16,646 yards and 123 TDs. AJ had 9019 yards and 77 TDs (which includes his time as a backup). Lest you think that makes Jones better, AJ's rating was 162 and Jones rating was 141.
Jones threw for over 7,500 more yards and 46 more TDs (one more year as a starter). Why? Was it because he was a better QB? No. Was it because he was more deserving of post season awards? No, in fact AJ won the Johnny Unitas and the Maxwell (Jones won the Sammy Baugh... didn't know that was a thing). The reason he put up those stats was because he was playing for Oklahoma, that's the only reason.
Anyway, the point is you can't go head to head Oklahoma vs. Alabama passing stats. They're going to be misleading.
Let me give another example though. Let's take AJ McCarron as an example. He had a lot of overlap in terms of when he and when Landry Jones played.
We all know AJ was a very good quarterback for Alabama, a record breaking one in fact. He was drafted in the 5th round, Jones was drafted in the 4th. AJ has thrown for 928 yards in the NFL, Jones has thrown for 1,310 yards. AJ has a rating of 92.4, Jones has a rating of 86.2. If there is an argument to be made that Jones is a better quarterback, it would be that he's marginally better.
Well... here's the college stats.
Landry Jones in four years as a starter had 16,646 yards and 123 TDs. AJ had 9019 yards and 77 TDs (which includes his time as a backup). Lest you think that makes Jones better, AJ's rating was 162 and Jones rating was 141.
Jones threw for over 7,500 more yards and 46 more TDs (one more year as a starter). Why? Was it because he was a better QB? No. Was it because he was more deserving of post season awards? No, in fact AJ won the Johnny Unitas and the Maxwell (Jones won the Sammy Baugh... didn't know that was a thing). The reason he put up those stats was because he was playing for Oklahoma, that's the only reason.
Anyway, the point is you can't go head to head Oklahoma vs. Alabama passing stats. They're going to be misleading.
They also conveniently left out the level of competition faced by each QB...
Here’s the first tweet.
https://twitter.com/ou_football/status/1065280223657250817?s=21
A fan sarcastically asked for the other stats excluding the fourth quarter because OU already tried to hype Kyler with better numbers.
And as someone on twitter pointed out, Tua has over a 100 less passes.
https://twitter.com/brad2524/status/1065462966169026561?s=21
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What are the stats excluding Quarters 3-4? There have been several games in which Tua was taken out early in the third quarter.
From ESPN here are the passing splits by quarter for each. This obviously doesn't include rushing stats
Kyler Murray
| YDS | CMP% | YPA | TD | INT | RAT | ATT | YDS | AVG | LNG | TD | |||||
| 1 | 1190 | 77.8 | 14.69 | 12 | 3 | 242.7 | 19 | 140 | 7.4 | 16 | 1 | ||||
| 2 | 945 | 72.3 | 10.05 | 10 | 0 | 191.9 | 37 | 275 | 7.4 | 33 | 4 | ||||
| 3 | 872 | 58.3 | 12.11 | 7 | 3 | 183.8 | 29 | 93 | 3.2 | 19 | 2 | ||||
| 4 | 273 | 70.0 | 9.10 | 4 | 0 | 190.4 | 19 | 231 | 12.2 | 75 | 3 |
| YDS | CMP% | YPA | TD | INT | RAT | ATT | YDS | AVG | LNG | TD | |||||
| 1 | 1321 | 67.7 | 13.34 | 15 | 0 | 229.8 | 21 | 75 | 3.6 | 16 | 2 | ||||
| 2 | 943 | 74.1 | 11.09 | 11 | 1 | 207.7 | 10 | 37 | 3.7 | 15 | 0 | ||||
| 3 | 577 | 63.5 | 11.10 | 5 | 1 | 184.6 | 10 | 73 | 7.3 | 44 | 2 | ||||
| 4 | 24 | 100 | 24.00 | 0 | 0 | 301.6 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 |
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All I can read of that is code; no text or numbers.
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Yea sorry I just copied and pasted from ESPN and idk how to fix that. It shows up for me but I guess that's unhelpful to everyone else. Maybe it just doesn't show up on Tapatalk?
EDIT: This should be better. Again this is only passing numbers no rushing
Kyler
| YDS | CMP% | YPA | TD | INT | RAT | |
| 1 | 1190 | 77.8 | 14.69 | 12 | 3 | 242.7 |
| 2 | 945 | 72.3 | 10.05 | 10 | 0 | 191.9 |
| 3 | 872 | 58.3 | 12.11 | 7 | 3 | 183.8 |
| 4 | 273 | 70.0 | 9.10 | 4 | 0 | 190.4 |
Tua
| YDS | CMP% | YPA | TD | INT | RAT | |
| 1 | 1321 | 67.7 | 13.34 | 15 | 0 | 229.8 |
| 2 | 943 | 74.1 | 11.09 | 11 | 1 | 207.7 |
| 3 | 577 | 63.5 | 11.10 | 5 | 1 | 184.6 |
| 4 | 24 | 100.0 | 24.00 | 0 | 0 | 301.6 |
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"I C Petty Pixels" responded with this about the defenses each has faced over the course of the year:
Top 10: Tua - 1; Kyler - 0
Top 20: Tua - 2; Kyler - 0
Top 25: Tua - 2; Kyler - 0
Top 50 Tua - 4; Kyler - 2
Top 20 left on schedule: Tua - 2; Kyler - 0
I said several weeks ago that I thought for Tua to win it that he could not afford to
to have a bad game. I think he may get a pass for his lackluster performance against State just because they are such a highly regarded D, but I do not think he can
afford to look like that again in the final two games.
to have a bad game. I think he may get a pass for his lackluster performance against State just because they are such a highly regarded D, but I do not think he can
afford to look like that again in the final two games.
His injury was the key. He just need to have a solid game.
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If Tua has a solid game Saturday and Bama wins by more than 14, I think it’s a done deal. If it’s close and he doesn’t do well, then it will come down to the SECCG, IMO.
I don’t know but I think some voters may be put off by Murray’s “one and done” deal, knowing this is his last year of football. It shouldn’t matter because that’s really not relevant, but then again, Cam got it even with the “integrity” question - so there’s no way to prevent personal feelings from affecting the voters.
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I don’t know but I think some voters may be put off by Murray’s “one and done” deal, knowing this is his last year of football. It shouldn’t matter because that’s really not relevant, but then again, Cam got it even with the “integrity” question - so there’s no way to prevent personal feelings from affecting the voters.
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