I hear you and understand. That response is different than what's been posted before, so deserves more conversation, perhaps.
How do we - or can we - change this way of thinking?
Also (in your example) can't the daughter buy her own birth control?
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How do we - or can we - change this way of thinking?
Also (in your example) can't the daughter buy her own birth control?
A few thoughts, without getting into the right or wrong of it.
There is a male birth control being tested. But it can cause a decrease in testosterone, and libido. How many teenage boys are willing to try to mess with their hormones? In many cases, it has lifelong consequences. Putting developing boys or girls on artificial hormones is having repercussions that aren't considered when someone is 16.
And birth control outside of condoms doesn't address stds.
Abstinence? Well, for some it works. I guess. I've never had teenagers, but I was one, and eventually I will have them. I don't trust teenagers. With some of the abstinence only education, its leading kids into practices that are more unconventional, so the girls can stay virgins, even if in the most technical name only. Which also leads kids into thinking that to have fun, they need to have something worthy of sites we can't mention, instead of just regular sex, (I'm not speaking to orientation)
Like a $5 million yacht vs a used jon boat.. A used jon boat can be fun too.
Regardless of whether any of us think abortion is ok, always wrong, sometimes ok, or are somewhere in that big gray area - I don't see it ever being overturned. Unless we become a completely different sort of country, that none of us really recognize. Totalitarian or theocracy comes to mind.
So lowering the numbers is good. Teaching people alternatives (including adoption) is good. But even with medical advances, there will always be cases where Moms life is in danger. There unfortunately will always be rape.
And have compassion. I know people who have had them, and regretted it. I also know people who would dog cuss anyone suspected of having one.
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IUDs can cause their own problems, leaving a woman infertile for the rest of her life. Many women are not physically able to have them, and don't realize until it's too late and causes problems. Condoms - with you on that one.
There is a male birth control being tested. But it can cause a decrease in testosterone, and libido. How many teenage boys are willing to try to mess with their hormones? In many cases, it has lifelong consequences. Putting developing boys or girls on artificial hormones is having repercussions that aren't considered when someone is 16.
And birth control outside of condoms doesn't address stds.
Abstinence? Well, for some it works. I guess. I've never had teenagers, but I was one, and eventually I will have them. I don't trust teenagers. With some of the abstinence only education, its leading kids into practices that are more unconventional, so the girls can stay virgins, even if in the most technical name only. Which also leads kids into thinking that to have fun, they need to have something worthy of sites we can't mention, instead of just regular sex, (I'm not speaking to orientation)
Like a $5 million yacht vs a used jon boat.. A used jon boat can be fun too.
Regardless of whether any of us think abortion is ok, always wrong, sometimes ok, or are somewhere in that big gray area - I don't see it ever being overturned. Unless we become a completely different sort of country, that none of us really recognize. Totalitarian or theocracy comes to mind.
So lowering the numbers is good. Teaching people alternatives (including adoption) is good. But even with medical advances, there will always be cases where Moms life is in danger. There unfortunately will always be rape.
And have compassion. I know people who have had them, and regretted it. I also know people who would dog cuss anyone suspected of having one.
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And risk her American Taliban parents finding out she has Satan’s Safe Sex tools on her?!? Only half blue.
and that's exactly how 2 of my 4 sister in laws became pregnant and married to the wrong people. The other 2 ignored their catholic brainwashing and their Dad's complete idiocy and got birth control themselves
With planned parenthood, I think if they stopped giving political $, they would be more accepted.
Also more regulations, those that a standard obgyn must follow.
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Also more regulations, those that a standard obgyn must follow.
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My Father in law told all of his daughters that he would stop paying their tuition if he found out they were on birth control in college as it is specifically forbidden by the church. 2 listened, 2 didn't. 2 got married at 18 and had "miraculous" 7 month gestation babies and both since divorced and 2 had fun normal college times got married on their own schedule and are still married to the same guys that they took their time getting to know each other and didn't rush into having babies.
For the record he didn't care what his sons did (shocking, I know)
She could, but when growing up in an environment where the family, church, and school preaches abstinence, how likely is it that the various methods of birth control are going to be discussed. The kids that know about it, and are too poor to actually receive it, actually know enough to go to places like planned parenthood and get it themselves. However if you have never received the information, your peer group has never received the information because they are growing up in an environment similar to you, then where are you going to actually find out what is the best solution? Never mind the fact that in an environment like that, the family doctor isn't going to talk to the kid, without the kid fearing daddy finding out about the questions.
Last time I used it, without insurance, it was $5 a month. If you can get Starbucks, you can get the pill.
I was on it for 10 years for medical reasons. It caused all kinds of problems. And made me just a bit crazy.
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I was on it for 10 years for medical reasons. It caused all kinds of problems. And made me just a bit crazy.
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Gardasil is another issue. My girl & boys will get it. My best friend has nearly died from cervical cancer. Twice. And will never be out of medical debt. If I can help prevent that, I will.
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Good point.
I would hope that all those who "preach" abstinence also include a provision - that if abstinence is not possible - make sure you have birth control in place.
I guess we have a lot of variation in what is being "preached".
There's a hidden factor. Our fertility rate continues to drop and teenage pregnancies, in particular, have plunged. It's natural that these trends would take down the abortion rate as a consequence. Personally, I have an abhorrence for government intervention into any person's liberties, beginning with her/his body...
I heartily agree. I have a daughter who had to have a cervical displasia removed while still a teenager...
and don't forget that the info on birth control that they do get, is often lies. So even if they can afford it and are having sex they've been taught that these things don't work anyway so why bother? My wife was taught that the pill gives you cancer, condoms are full of holes that let disease and sperm through, iud's will get lodged in your tubes and every other manor of idea designed to scare her away from sex. All those things do is scare kids away from having sex safely.
It's the ultimate of selfish stupidity to not protect your sons and daughters against disease/cancer. Even if they "behave" just like you want you are also placing your trust in someone else to always "behave" like you want as well, not to mention basically telling your child that if you step out of line you deserve what you get. What a high price for your child to pay for choosing someone who doesn't live up to your standard or for your child being human. Parents like this anger me.
Abortion should be avoided when possible and that includes protecting against unwanted pregnancy as a primary prevention method. I am also against government intrusion into this decision. That also means that no one should be forced by government to provide you with one or to otherwise violate their conscience in this regard. To be consistent you must support choice for none or choice for all, not just for those with whom you agree. Caveats apply.
Abortion should be avoided when possible and that includes protecting against unwanted pregnancy as a primary prevention method. I am also against government intrusion into this decision. That also means that no one should be forced by government to provide you with one or to otherwise violate their conscience in this regard. To be consistent you must support choice for none or choice for all, not just for those with whom you agree. Caveats apply.
Agreed that not everyone responds well to IUDs. I could've included subdermal contraceptive implants as well. I know I wouldn't want to remember to take a pill everyday if I were a woman.
I don't like relying on condoms alone, though. I prefer the woman having some control over her contraception rather than being wholly reliant on her partner. That said, obviously condoms are also a good barrier for STD prevention.
And completely depends on the woman. For many it's fine. For some its poison.
The shot is one of those. Great for some. Terrible for others.
And in a true partnership, the woman wouldn't be reliant on her partner for condoms. She can walk into a drugstore. She can say no.
Or wisely, can use that and another method.
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Abortions. I am only antiabortion because I believe it is a loss of life, not because of some religious belief. I think if you were to ask the abstinence only crowd the roots of their beliefs you would find it is completely religious and our constitution prevents laws being made based upon religion.
I completely agree with your statement here. Everyone should be responsible for their own stuff. I don't even want to know about it.
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