SEC Basketball Media Day

CajunCrimson said:

I look at it this way -- 33-66% of SEC Teams make the tournament in Basketball..... If we aren't in the Top 33%, 50%, 66% -- then we don't have a good situation. Flawed or not -- we can't be the 8th-10th best team in a conference and be happy. Otherwise you might as well call us Ole Miss....

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It's. Not. That. Simple.

CajunCrimson said:

There are several fired head coaches who might disagree.....

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And those are?

CajunCrimson said:

Coaches who were fired for not making the NCAA Tournament? I'll make a list for you if you need one....I'm sure it wouldn't take that long to fill up a page..... Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Not sure I understand what you don't get.

Sounds like you think that you can be a good coach and not make the tournament. When 1/2 to 2/3 of your conference makes it and you don't -- how can you be a good coach? Especially in a conference often viewed as the 5th-7th best league.....

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What am I arguing? Your lack of understanding of how the college basketball postseason works. Let's recap how this discussion started:

CajunCrimson said:

If Avery misses the dance again, the seat will start to warm up quickly. It will look like it was all Sexton.

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CajunCrimson said:

You are kidding right? Sorry -- if you can't make the tournament at least 2 of every 3 years when they let 68 teams in, isn't my idea of a top coach. It's the equivalent of missing a 24 team football playoff.... How long would Bama have a coach if they didn't make a Top 24 College Football Tournament?

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CajunCrimson said:

I look at it this way -- 33-66% of SEC Teams make the tournament in Basketball..... If we aren't in the Top 33%, 50%, 66% -- then we don't have a good situation. Flawed or not -- we can't be the 8th-10th best team in a conference and be happy. Otherwise you might as well call us Ole Miss....

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CajunCrimson said:

There are several fired head coaches who might disagree.....

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Is it a coach has to make the tournament twice every three years or in general? Because you start out saying "at least 2 of every 3 years." When I asked for a list of coaches that would disagree with my notion it's not as simple as you say, you come back with "coaches fired for not making the NCAA tournament."

And this idea that the SEC is considered the fifth to seventh best league is gone. It's an old thinking that some can still not get out of their head. Some of us tried to bring it up last year, but clearly some ignored it. Look at KenPom's projection I posted. He says Alabama is the 51st best team in the nation and still projects Alabama to be tenth in the conference. Yep, real weak league.

CajunCrimson said:

I think I need to go back and get a refund for my Communication Degree.....because I feel like I'm reading a foreign language.

I stand by everything I said:

1. If Avery misses the post season this year -- his seat will start to get warmer.....his record after 3 years is worse than Grant....
2. Missing the NCAA in Basketball is the equivalent of Power 5 Team missing a 24 team tournament in football (Or not being ranked in the Top 25 is that helps)
3. If you aren't in the top 2/3 of your conference -- you aren't being successful
4. Several head coaches with winning records have been let go because they can't get into the NCAA Tournament.....

last year's post season KenPom ranking had 5 SEC Teams in the Top 50 (55).....after the season was over.

https://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2017

The ACC had 9
Big 12 had 8
The Big 10 had 8
The Big East had 5 (6 of the top 51)
The Pac 12 had 5 (in the top 53)

So, we were somewhere between the 4th and 7th best last year....

So, after a year of games -- the SEC finished somewhere between 4th and 7th

I guess 5th to 4th is progress....

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Welp... Might want to look at the correct season.

SEC - 7
ACC - 11
B1G - 5
Big 12 - 8
Pac 12 - 2
Big East - 4

Avery's first season was 2015-2016. I went back and counted the number of teams per conference in KenPom's top 50 for each of the last three seasons plus the projected 2018-2019 season.

2016

A10 - 2
ACC - 10
American - 3
Big East - 6
Big 10 - 7
Big 12 - 6
Horizon - 1
Ivy - 1
Missouri Valley - 1
Mountain West - 1
Pac 12 - 5
SEC - 4
Southland - 1
West Coast - 2

2017

A10 - 3
ACC - 10
American - 2
Big East - 5
Big 10 - 8
Big 12 - 8
CUSA - 1
Missouri Valley - 2
Pac 12 -4
SEC - 5
West Coast - 2

2018

A10 - 1
ACC - 11
American - 3
Big East - 5
Big 10 - 6
Big 12 - 8
CUSA - 2
Missouri Valley - 1
Mountain West - 2
Pac 12 - 2
SEC - 7
West Coast - 2

2019 projections

ACC - 9
American - 3
Big East - 6
Big 10 - 10
Big 12 - 8 (Oklahoma at 52)
Mountain West - 1
Pac 12 - 3
SEC - 9 (Alabama at 51)
West Coast - 1

I only see one conference that has continued to get more teams in the top 50 in that time frame.

KenPom's lowest projected SEC team is Georgia at 101. The only P5 conference with every team in the top 100 is the Big 12 with all ten teams in the top 62. ACC (139), Big 10 (149), and Pac 12 (105, 157, and 179) look weaker than the SEC based on KP's projections.

CajunCrimson said:

let's revisit everyone's attitude about this if we miss the big Dance..... I think you will see a different perspective.

I love me some Bama Hoops...always have. I like Avery - a lot. Just not sure we are seeing the progress we should be seeing....

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Wonder why the RPI jumped 40 spots with overall similar stats? The competition got harder.

Alabama's SOS:

2015 - 56
2016 - 40
2017 - 72
2018 - 12

With the young talent Alabama had last year (fourth youngest team in the nation), I would say things are looking up when you consider everything and not just a win-loss record.