Its all a matter of degreeSafety should not be an option on a commercial jet.
I was prepared to buy, if it tanked enough. It hasn't...And investors know it - any other company (not propped up by said MI complex) would have tanked hard at this point, yet the stock remains 25% higher than it was in mid-December of 2018...
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When you have a crappy system and know it or should have known it then it is essential. Something that has that much control over the aircraft should never rely on a single sensor. In GA that's common. Not so in commercial.Its all a matter of degree
True. I wonder how much Boeing was charging for that extra sensor, along with the software to indicate when they disagree on AOA...When you have a crappy system and know it or should have known it then it is essential. Something that has that much control over the aircraft should never rely on a single sensor. In GA that's common. Not so in commercial.
I thought one of the articles linked said the price, but not sure if it was all inclusive.True. I wonder how much Boeing was charging for that extra sensor, along with the software to indicate when they disagree on AOA...
Both upgrades were related to the plane’s angle of attack sensors, devices that read whether a jet’s nose is pointing up or down relative to oncoming air. One upgrade, called the angle of attack indicator, displayed the sensors’ readings; the other upgrade is a light that is activated if the sensors interfere with each other. The disagree light alone cost $80,000, according to CBS; the jet’s list price is roughly $120 million.
More like enforce more.So, it seems like everyone is in agreement that the regulators (aka FAA) need to regulate more.
I think everyone with two brain cells knows that the DoD will continue to spend enough cash to ensure not only Boeing's survival, but it's continued success as an investment. It might drop a bit more over the next month or six, but by the end of the year it will likely bounce back - especially if rumors of war start up.I was prepared to buy, if it tanked enough. It hasn't...
True. I wish a bit more bad news would come out and depress the price a bit further. If it does, I'll buy, for the reasons you cite...I think everyone with two brain cells knows that the DoD will continue to spend enough cash to ensure not only Boeing's survival, but it's continued success as an investment. It might drop a bit more over the next month or six, but by the end of the year it will likely bounce back - especially if rumors of war start up.
This should have been done right out of the gate.The WSJ says that the software updates will scale back the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) redesigning it “so it won’t overpower other cockpit commands or misfire based on faulty readings from a single sensor,” and will only activate once, for a short duration in the event that there is an issue. The FAA has “tentatively approved,” the update, but it needs to go through simulations and flight testing. If it works and is formally approved, the update could be issued in “the next few weeks.” The agency didn’t comment to the WSJ about the specifics of the changes. Furthermore, Boeing has said that it will include a warning light designed to warn pilots that was previously part of an optional package that carriers could purchase.
Engine problems on top of the sensor problems? Keep in mind, the reason for all the structural changes is to accommodate larger, redesigned engines.A Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft that was part of the fleet grounded after two deadly crashes made an emergency landing Tuesday as it was on its way to temporary storage.
No passengers were aboard Southwest Airlines Flight 8701, which was being ferried from Orlando International Airport to Victorville, California, for short-term storage, the airline said.
Just before 3 p.m., the two pilots aboard the flight reported "a performance issue with one of the engines shortly after takeoff," the airline said.
"The crew followed protocol and safely landed back at the airport."
FIFY. Sensor problem singular. They designed a system that could veto the pilot and it be based off a single sensor.sensor problem
I take the "engine problems" with a grain of salt. We'll see what comes out...And the hits just keep on coming...
A Boeing 737 Max 8 declared an emergency landing after an engine problem
Engine problems on top of the sensor problems? Keep in mind, the reason for all the structural changes is to accommodate larger, redesigned engines.
And then didn't tell the pilots about it. It beggars the imagination, doesn't it? Man, Boeing has some explaining to do...FIFY. Sensor problem singular. They designed a system that could veto the pilot and it be based off a single sensor.
I've just never thought about planes having options like cars. I know the interiors can be configured differently depending on the use but, beyond that, I just never thought about it. The fact that some safety features are optional is really disturbing. It's like the Titanic all over again. Funny how humanity still hasn't learn it's lesson, safety shouldn't be optional.Boeing has said that it will include a warning light designed to warn pilots that was previously part of an optional package that carriers could purchase.
If I were Boeing, I'd rather have another incident of an established problem than a different problem--one they might not be able to be address with a software patch.I take the "engine problems" with a grain of salt. We'll see what comes out...
Not in a critical system that can override the pilot and crash the plane.I've just never thought about planes having options like cars. I know the interiors can be configured differently depending on the use but, beyond that, I just never thought about it. The fact that some safety features are optional is really disturbing. It's like the Titanic all over again. Funny how humanity still hasn't learn it's lesson, safety shouldn't be optional.
Not much time for troubleshooting a system you don't even know exists.Flight simulations recreating the problems suspected to be responsible for the crash of a Boeing 737 Max 8 plane last year gave pilots under 40 seconds to override a malfunctioning system, according to a report in the New York Times.
40 seconds! Yet Boeing and the FAA gave it a thumbs up, no training necessary. Someone needs to spend a long time in jail for all this.https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/americas/boeing-test-40-seconds-intl/index.html
Not much time for troubleshooting a system you don't even know exists.