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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    Boeing 737 Type RatingThe Boeing 737 family currently consists of the B737 Classic (-300/400/500), B737NG (-600/700/ 800/900) and the B737 Max which is slated for delivery in 2017. With 9,600 + airframes delivered and another 4,500 on order, the B737 is the most popular jetliner ever conceived. According to Boeing, more than 342 airlines in 111 countries fly B737. As of 2012 there were 4,000 B737NGs delivered and by one estimate there are two B737s departing or landing somewhere every five seconds. Considering that a single type rating is valid across all series, the B737 Type Rating is one of the most flexible ratings a pilot can hold.If you are looking for a marketable type rating, the Boeing 737 is it.
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    This is where the problem started. Boeing has done everything it can to minimize additional training for each new variation of the 737 over the years. But take a look at the following photos. Do these planes look anything alike?





    The 737 name should have ended with the 500 series. After that it should have been a new name and type rating. And the 737 max should have required additional sim training due to it's unique flight characteristics.
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    http://aeronauticsonline.com/us-depa...TIieB_hgHr0kAc

    US Department of Transportation Seeks Audit of Boeing 737MAX Certification

    This should be interesting
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Boeing engineers testing the stall characteristics of the new 737 Max for certification.

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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

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    This should be eviscerating
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    Lion Air pilots struggle to find answers

    The pilots of a doomed Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX scoured a handbook as they struggled to understand why the jet was lurching downwards, but ran out of time before it hit the water, three people with knowledge of the cockpit voice recorder contents said.
    For the next nine minutes, the jet warned pilots it was in a stall and pushed the nose down in response, the report showed. A stall is when the airflow over a plane’s wings is too weak to generate lift and keep it flying.The captain fought to climb, but the computer, still incorrectly sensing a stall, continued to push the nose down using the plane’s trim system. Normally, trim adjusts an aircraft’s control surfaces to ensure it flies straight and level.
    A different crew on the same plane the evening before encountered the same problem but solved it after running through three checklists, according to the November report.
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...3gjKERXyHX-Zrg

    Pilot Who Hitched a Ride Saved Lion Air 737 Day Before Deadly Crash

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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Well, that'll leave a mark. Basically, Boeing's actions insured that untrained pilots would be operating a plane whose software systems they didn't understand...
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    I don’t know about anyone else but, all this is causing me to lose all faith in the airline industry. To have such little regard for the lives of your customers just to save time and money is disgusting.

    People better end up in jail over this negligence. Also, the FAA should strip the Max 8 of its certification, forcing Boeing to enjoy the long and expensive recertification process. Only seems fair at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Oof.
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    FWIW
    President Donald Trump on Tuesday nominated the former Delta Air Lines executive Steve Dickson as the permanent head of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
    The Wall Street Journal first reported that the White House intended to nominate Dickson for the role as early as Tuesday.
    The FAA has not had a permanent leader since former FAA Administrator Michael Huerta left the role in January 2018.

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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/busin...nas/index.html

    US Justice Department prosecutors have issued multiple subpoenas as part of an investigation into Boeing's Federal Aviation Administration certification and marketing of 737 Max planes, sources briefed on the matter told CNN.The criminal investigation, which is in its early stages, began after the October 2018 crash of a 737 Max aircraft operated by Lion Air in Indonesia, the sources said. Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao on Tuesday asked the agency's inspector general to investigate the Max certification.
    Criminal investigators have sought information from Boeing on safety and certification procedures, including training manuals for pilots, along with how the company marketed the new aircraft, the sources said.
    It's not yet clear what possible criminal laws could be at issue in the probe. Among the things the investigators are looking into is the process by which Boeing itself certified the plane as safe, and the data it presented the FAA about that self-certification, the sources said.


    The FBI Seattle office and Justice Department's criminal division in Washington are leading the investigation.
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    i guess this goes here

    Trump’s top Pentagon official is now under an ethics investigation
    Did Trump’s defense secretary favor Boeing? The Pentagon’s watchdog wants to find out.


    Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan is under investigation by the Pentagon’s internal watchdog for allegedly boosting his former company, Boeing, while on the job.

    In a Wednesday statement, the Department of Defense inspector general said it “decided to investigate complaints we recently received,” which might show that Shanahan acted “in violation of ethics rules.”
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    Re: Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disast

    ...And Boeing takes another shot to the groin...

    Doomed Boeing Jets Lacked 2 Safety Features That Company Sold Only as Extras

    [The MCAS] software system takes readings from two vanelike devices called angle of attack sensors that determine how much the plane’s nose is pointing up or down relative to oncoming air. When MCAS detects that the plane is pointing up at a dangerous angle, it can automatically push down the nose of the plane in an effort to prevent the plane from stalling.Boeing’s optional safety features, in part, could have helped the pilots detect any erroneous readings. One of the optional upgrades, the angle of attack indicator, displays the readings of the two sensors. The other, called a disagree light, is activated if those sensors are at odds with one another.
    Unbelievable.

    Oh, Boeing has announced they they are going to make these two features standard.
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